Yay, another laker who's doing what i used to have to all by myself.Kobe wants to win, just look at his face when the spurs beat them in playoffs in 2003. He was crying. He wasn't crying for himself, the team got dismantled at home.He wants to win on his own terms, he already has 3 rings so he can experiement and do what he wants. He's already a top 15 maybe top 10 of all time and is a lock of hof.
[quote name='nykfan4life' post='2706' date='Feb 17 2006, 02:40 PM']there is no comparison. lebron james is 20 times better than kobe was at this point of his career.[/quote]Sure he is. So was Jerry Stackhouse.[quote name='nykfan4life' post='2706' date='Feb 17 2006, 02:40 PM']lebron is 21 and already averaging over 30 points. not only that but he passes the ball. he rebounds. he plays pretty good D.[/quote]Pretty good defense? Okay.[quote name='nykfan4life' post='2706' date='Feb 17 2006, 02:40 PM']kobe, scores doesn't pass, good D and descent rebounder.[/quote]Doesn't pass? He averaged 6 assists last season with scrubs for teammates. You do realize that Michael Jordan was averaging 4-5 APG when he was in his 10th NBA season, right? Actually...let me help you out...His 10th full NBA season, Jordan averaged 4.3 APG. If you'd rather count his two half-seasons, he averaged 5.3 in his 10th. That included Pippen as a teammate...and three rings afterwards. What's your point?[quote name='nykfan4life' post='2706' date='Feb 17 2006, 02:40 PM']lebron is better tho. kobe just does everything himself and it gets him nowhere. lebron gets his team involved and wins games. lebron is the man.[/quote]LeBron has yet to win a game...it's his teammates that win the games. Statistically, LeBron is one of the worst players in the clutch among the overall top 20 in the NBA. Kobe does everything himself? Damn straight...when you have Kwame Brown missing a game-winner, Odom charging with 14 on the shot clock to keep the lead and win the game, Cook doing the same exact thing Odom did just a week after, and Smush Parker missing a wide-open dunk off a Kobe pass, you have to do things yourself.Don't make this too easy for me.
Real deal, i challenged him to a debate. When i dismantle him then he can talk all the crap he wants. The logic he uses is funny.And i thought bcb was biased?
Kobe is definently the guy I'd rather have on my team right now. Once LeBron atleast gets in the playoffs, then you can say something. Until then, Kobe all the way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real Deal @ Feb 17 2006, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sure he is. So was Jerry Stackhouse.Pretty good defense? Okay.Doesn't pass? He averaged 6 assists last season with scrubs for teammates. You do realize that Michael Jordan was averaging 4-5 APG when he was in his 10th NBA season, right? Actually...let me help you out...His 10th full NBA season, Jordan averaged 4.3 APG. If you'd rather count his two half-seasons, he averaged 5.3 in his 10th. That included Pippen as a teammate...and three rings afterwards. What's your point?LeBron has yet to win a game...it's his teammates that win the games. Statistically, LeBron is one of the worst players in the clutch among the overall top 20 in the NBA. Kobe does everything himself? Damn straight...when you have Kwame Brown missing a game-winner, Odom charging with 14 on the shot clock to keep the lead and win the game, Cook doing the same exact thing Odom did just a week after, and Smush Parker missing a wide-open dunk off a Kobe pass, you have to do things yourself.Don't make this too easy for me.</div>hahaha give me a break guy. i can't believe what you're saying. if you're telling me kobe isn't better than mj why do you wanna debate with me? so i can tell you why mj is better? i already did. mj and scottie 6 rings. kobe 3 rings oh wait but he only had one of the most dominating centers to ever play. mj scottie. kobe shaq. yea who won more? enough said buddy. i don't know what else that needs to be said.lebron is winning kobe is .500. why would you want kobe? so you can see someone not pass and watch him score 35 points and still lose? lebron brings more to the table. lebron is only 21 he will learn to lead a team. something kobe still doesn't know how to do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Feb 17 2006, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>hahaha give me a break guy. i can't believe what you're saying. if you're telling me kobe isn't better than mj why do you wanna debate with me? so i can tell you why mj is better? i already did. mj and scottie 6 rings. kobe 3 rings oh wait but he only had one of the most dominating centers to ever play. mj scottie. kobe shaq. yea who won more? enough said buddy. i don't know what else that needs to be said.lebron is winning kobe is .500. why would you want kobe? so you can see someone not pass and watch him score 35 points and still lose? lebron brings more to the table. lebron is only 21 he will learn to lead a team. something kobe still doesn't know how to do.</div>Yeah King James is only 21 but hey Kobe is pretty young too bro. And Lebron is better at what he does than Kobe partly because Lebron is the PG and Kobe is the SG. He averages 6 assists bro but come on, watch a Lakers game and you will see why Kobe has to shoot so much sometimes. His team flat out sucks half the time bro.And when it comes to being clutch...no comparison. I have yet to see Lebron clutch really.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Feb 17 2006, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>hahaha give me a break guy. i can't believe what you're saying. if you're telling me kobe isn't better than mj why do you wanna debate with me? so i can tell you why mj is better? i already did. mj and scottie 6 rings. kobe 3 rings oh wait but he only had one of the most dominating centers to ever play. mj scottie. kobe shaq. yea who won more? enough said buddy. i don't know what else that needs to be said.</div>Who are you talking to? I never asked to debate you, and I never said Kobe was better than Jordan. Don't get confused and change the subject.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Feb 17 2006, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lebron is winning kobe is .500. why would you want kobe? so you can see someone not pass and watch him score 35 points and still lose? lebron brings more to the table. lebron is only 21 he will learn to lead a team. something kobe still doesn't know how to do.</div>Is LeBron better than Garnett, just because LeBron's team is winning more? No.LeBron brings more to the table? Haha...what, youth? Size? That's about all right now, because he sure doesn't have any rings, no experience, no defensive teams, fewer NBA First Teams, fewer All-Star appearances. When LeBron is a vet in seven years, then you can start telling everyone what he's done...but he's still a kid, he's younger than me, and he doesn't bring anything to the table yet.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real Deal @ Feb 17 2006, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who are you talking to? I never asked to debate you, and I never said Kobe was better than Jordan. Don't get confused and change the subject.Is LeBron better than Garnett, just because LeBron's team is winning more? No.LeBron brings more to the table? Haha...what, youth? Size? That's about all right now, because he sure doesn't have any rings, no experience, no defensive teams, fewer NBA First Teams, fewer All-Star appearances. When LeBron is a vet in seven years, then you can start telling everyone what he's done...but he's still a kid, he's younger than me, and he doesn't bring anything to the table yet.</div>correct me if i'm wrong but how long has lebron been in the league? o yea 3 years. lebron 31ppg, 6.5 assists, 7 rebounds. kobe 35 ppg 5.5 rebounds and 4.4 assists. the stats are there for ya bud. he brings more to the table. he'll win in the playoffs. but uhhh kobe won't.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Feb 17 2006, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>correct me if i'm wrong but how long has lebron been in the league? o yea 3 years. lebron 31ppg, 6.5 assists, 7 rebounds. kobe 35 ppg 5.5 rebounds and 4.4 assists. the stats are there for ya bud. he brings more to the table. he'll win in the playoffs. but uhhh kobe won't.</div>Can you take in effect of who Kobe has on his team and who LeBron has? Which is in which conference? Anything besides stats and predicting the future. How do you know so well that LeBron will do so good in the playoffs? Im not a LeBron hater nor a Kobe d*ckrider, but it bothers me that LeBron cant get it down when it matters most at the end of the game. He seems afraid. If there are 3 seconds left, give me Kobe over LeBron anyday. We'll see how LeBron does, but until then you cant defend your topic with logic pertaining to the future or something that hasnt happened yet. You really just have to wait it out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Feb 17 2006, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>correct me if i'm wrong but how long has lebron been in the league? o yea 3 years. lebron 31ppg, 6.5 assists, 7 rebounds. kobe 35 ppg 5.5 rebounds and 4.4 assists. the stats are there for ya bud. he brings more to the table. he'll win in the playoffs. but uhhh kobe won't.</div>Marbury - 18 PPG, 3 RPG, 7 APGChris Paul - 16 PPG, 6 RPG, 8 APGChris Paul is a rookie. Marbury is a veteran. Paul has the better record and is 6th seeded in the West. The Knicks are one of the worst teams in the league.Paul > Marbury?How's that for a star comparison?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real Deal @ Feb 17 2006, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marbury - 18 PPG, 3 RPG, 7 APGChris Paul - 16 PPG, 6 RPG, 8 APGChris Paul is a rookie. Marbury is a veteran. Paul has the better record and is 6th seeded in the West. The Knicks are one of the worst teams in the league.Paul > Marbury?How's that for a star comparison?</div>okkkkk.............marbury-coached by larry brown. paul-coached by byron scott. brown limits offense, scott encourages offense. remember when he coached the nets with kidd and rj and martin. there offense was great. that's why paul is playing so well. i like chris paul i have nothing against him he's roty. now marbury's offense before brown came here was 20ppg and 8 assists. how many other players have done that? oscar robertson and that's all i can think of. yea the knicks are bad this year but they won't be when they stay healthy and listen to brown. you think what you said is gonna shut me up?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Feb 17 2006, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>okkkkk.............marbury-coached by larry brown. paul-coached by byron scott. brown limits offense, scott encourages offense. remember when he coached the nets with kidd and rj and martin. there offense was great. that's why paul is playing so well. i like chris paul i have nothing against him he's roty. now marbury's offense before brown came here was 20ppg and 8 assists. how many other players have done that? oscar robertson and that's all i can think of. yea the knicks are bad this year but they won't be when they stay healthy and listen to brown. you think what you said is gonna shut me up?</div>Oh now you go more in depth and not talk about stats? You can go in depth about the Kobe thing and you will see why Kobe>Lebron until we see more of Lebron, especially when he gets in the playoffs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Feb 17 2006, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>okkkkk.............marbury-coached by larry brown. paul-coached by byron scott. brown limits offense, scott encourages offense. remember when he coached the nets with kidd and rj and martin. there offense was great. that's why paul is playing so well. i like chris paul i have nothing against him he's roty. now marbury's offense before brown came here was 20ppg and 8 assists. how many other players have done that? oscar robertson and that's all i can think of. yea the knicks are bad this year but they won't be when they stay healthy and listen to brown. you think what you said is gonna shut me up?</div>Haha, no excuses. You didn't want to talk about teams with Kobe and LeBron, so don't go there with Marbury and Paul.I can name many other PG's who are more valuable than Marbury too...and I'm sure you'll dive into excuses again. If you want to go solely by stats, Marbury isn't close to other PG's.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real Deal @ Feb 17 2006, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Haha, no excuses. You didn't want to talk about teams with Kobe and LeBron, so don't go there with Marbury and Paul.I can name many other PG's who are more valuable than Marbury too...and I'm sure you'll dive into excuses again. If you want to go solely by stats, Marbury isn't close to other PG's.</div>Exactly. Thats what he's been doing. And the only time he goes to the actual teams he does it when its NOT Kobe and Lebron.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Feb 17 2006, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>whatever i know what i'm saying you people are just too arrogant. lebron is better than kobe.</div>Arrogant eh? You care to explain your arguement the RIGHT WAY now about Kobe and LeBron like you did with Paul and Marbury?And I like how you've ignored points I have made.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real Deal @ Feb 17 2006, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Haha, no excuses. You didn't want to talk about teams with Kobe and LeBron, so don't go there with Marbury and Paul.I can name many other PG's who are more valuable than Marbury too...and I'm sure you'll dive into excuses again. If you want to go solely by stats, Marbury isn't close to other PG's.</div>you're the one that brought up paul and marbury. anyway this is supposed to be about lebron and kobe. i gave my opinion and you people are comin at me like i commit a murder. why don't you all just calm down?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VintageNYK @ Feb 17 2006, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Arrogant eh? You care to explain your arguement the RIGHT WAY now about Kobe and LeBron like you did with Paul and Marbury?And I like how you've ignored points I have made.</div>i already said what i wanted to say about lebron and kobe. i showed the stats. lebron has a better record, more assists and more rebounds. lebron is gettin past the first round. you people are bringin in all these players like kg. he's not being compared here. it's between kobe and lebron. i already gave my opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Feb 17 2006, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>whatever i know what i'm saying you people are just too arrogant. lebron is better than kobe.</div>Other than being the only one in this thread who would pick LeBron over Kobe right now, you also lose this debate mainly because of this:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Feb 17 2006, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i hate the guy.</div>Typical hater. I deal with people like you all the time. You envy the best overall player in the game, and that's nobody's fault but your own. Nothing new.<div align="center"></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real Deal @ Feb 17 2006, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Other than being the only one in this thread who would pick LeBron over Kobe right now, you also lose this debate mainly because of this:Typical hater. I deal with people like you all the time. You envy the best overall player in the game, and that's nobody's fault but your own. Nothing new.<div align="center"></div></div>yea i hate him. gimme mine for saying you owned the thread. that's not why. lebron is simply better. 2 or 3 years down the road we should have this discussion again.
