So you're saying if Frank has Devin's role at C, it'd be Harris' fault for underperforming? That's just pure bullshit. As a coach, you're supposed to give your team the best chance to succeed. This is basketball, not a blue collar plant factory. I agree with Yi fans, there's definitely more to his game and potential than open 3's. If he's not hitting the open J, set him up to make a play for him in the paint. Camping him out on the perimeter does not help his development. Leave that to one dimensional guys like Simmons. I know it sucks watching, Yi fans, but Frank did the same thing with Kidd...turned him into a 3pt shooter.
To me its crazy to even consider that the nets draw up certain plays for an unproven foreign player who has little nba experience. The nets do have a superstar in Vince Carter, and a budding star in Devin Harris. Why would the ignore the stars for an unproven inconsistent player? Yi has to earn his minutes, and earn his plays as well. He does get a decent amount of touches and shots. Many shots are uncontested and missed. Maybe the nba could come with a new rule that prevents others teams from playing defense so Yi can drive to the basket more? There comes a time when Yi has to prove he belongs out there, and that happens when he is more consistent and makes his shots. If you claim he's not able to consistently make shots from long range then maybe this is not a role he's able to fill, then maybe its time to try someone, anybody else who is capable. All i ask is give the rest of the players the same opportunity that Yi is getting. You earn your minutes on this team, that what Frank has been preaching since training camp, you should also earn your starting spot... oh yeah, go nets!!!
There are 100+ possession in an NBA game, nobody is saying plays should run through Yi for 50 times, that would be stupid. Giving him 2-3 possessions is hardly ignoring the stars for an unproven inconsistent player. If running a couple easy set plays can make Yi more consistent than just having him wing it whenever he gets the ball, it's not really too much to ask. You seem to have the idea that Yi's missing too many uncontested open shots, but Ryan Anderson is making them at a much consistent rate, you are definitely just delusional. how do you just over look 1-8, 1-6, 1-5, 1-4, 1-3s shooting nights from Ryan Anderson and his .422 FG%. Right now the starting job is given to Yi, whether he earned it or not doesn't really matter. what matters is that Ryan Anderson hardly done enough to take it from Yi. But you seem to already have your mind set that Ryan is more consistent despite what the stats says, then I can't really convince you otherwise.
Mr. Yiof, I understand we may have a difference of opinion here, but why the insults? Becasue i don't agree with you in this topic i'm delusional? How bout less insults and try to stay on topic. Now you listed 4 games where Ryan Anderson had poor shooting nights out of 17 games. How many poor shooting nights has Yi had poor shooting games out of 17? Could it be you didn't or choose not to list Yi's short commings because he's had plenty more poor shooting performances? Ryan anderson a few games back was leading the nba in 3 point shooting, but you failed to mention that. Yi gets to play with the starters and is the 4th option or even the 3rd option. Ryan Anderson plays with the second unit when he comes in , and usually finishes the games with the starters because of Yi's foul problems ( poor defense?) or in disappearing act. When you play with the starters like VC and Devin Harris the stars will get doubled teamed and a kick out pass goes to a role player who is expected to make the shot. Yi is failing at that. If Ryan Anderson was starting would he be making those open looks? Would Ryan Anderson be getting the same wide open looks that Yi gets? Would he be hitting those shot? We will never know because Ryan hasn't started yet. When Ryan is with the second unit his shots are mostly contested because double teams don't really occur with the second units out there. So Ryan Anderson is making more shots than Yi at the same position being more contested than Yi. Other Questions: Does Ryan Anderson pass better than Yi? Does Ryan Anderson have better BB IQ than Yi? Does Ryan Anderson play better defense than Yi? Does Ryan Anderson get to the line more and make more FT's than Yi? Does Ryan Anderson make his own shot better than Yi? Does Ryan Anderson have better post moves than Yi? Does Ryan Anderson take more charges than Yi? Does Ryan Anderson dive on the floor and scrap more than YI? these are the qualities i look for in a starting PF in the nba. Help me understand my delusional thoughts please.....
I see you're unfamiliar with the ISO fest Frank ran all season. Maybe I've been assuming people were actually watching the games...
IMO a star player is a player who doesn't need set plays to get his shot... yeah there are set plays for VC and DH, rightfully so however they don't need them because IMO star players can create their own shot and scoring rather than needing a set play/design to create opportunities for themselves... with that being said, Yi "can" provide more to the NETs however Frank is having him by design(again i havent seen him used anything else) stay behind the 3. Yi has post up ability which is pretty good if not average and is 7ft! what good is 7ft behind the 3? Yi can run the floor but not using these strengths and forcing him to stay one dimensional what else can he do to avoid being lashed out or criticized? he will need to shoot perfect from 3 to get approval? he can offer so much more but its pointless if Frank has him stayin one dimensional which makes it easier to defend. I don't want to see VC or Harris continuing to win games for the NETs, we need the Brooks and YIs to contribute but their chances and opportunities are limited by either design or play.... Now i'm not (or YI fans) saying to get Yi running the show, but to let him try, what's the worse that can happen? he scores? VC and Harris will get their points by going through their own stretch of solo acts but is it too much to let YI or Brook open their game up a little? it's easier to defend when you know exactly whose touching the ball... hell i wouldn't be so differ about DH and VC forcing shots if they were driving drawing out an extra defender then hitting the open cutter to the hoop... but they don't so what more can we do? perfect example, look at the Lakers, they are a beast because of depth... not from one scoring source... am i saying we have the same level of talent no not touching that but see how hard it is to beat them when they involve all 5 players on the court? if Frank wants to make YI one dimensional fine he's the coach but he's whole letting YI sink or swim thing is more like sink or swim with bricks on your back... but hopefully everything works out
When Yi gets the ball from a kick out he doesn't have to shoot it. In fact he could drive up the middle and take advantage of his god given skills. I truly don't believe Frank has orders to him only to shoot that shot..
Ok, If my post insulted you, I apologize. I personally don't think delusional is an insult word, I simply meant to say that you are believing what you want to believe. well lets list them then. Yi's bad shooting Nights: 11/1 vs GSW 0-4 11/7 vs IND 1-10 11/12 vs IND 4-13 11/14 vs ATL 1-4 11/15 vs ATL 2-6 11/18 vs CLE 3-12 11/25 vs LAL 3-9 Ryan Anderson's bad shooting nights: 10/29 vs WSH 1-3 11/4 vs PHX 1-3 11/18 vs CLE 1-4 11/22 vs LAC 1-5 11/25 vs LAL 1-8 11/29 vs UTA 1-6 Ok, 7 Bad shooting nights in 17 games for Yi(.411) vs 6 Bad shooting nights in 14 games played for Ryan(.428) (Ryan played in 15 games, but the one game he played 2 minutes and have 0 fga doesn't count). I don't see Ryan doing better. What's the point of mentioning that? anyone can get lucky and get that honor 5 games into the season. Yi actually have better 3p% right now. I think you are using "usually" too loosely. while I don't have the exact numbers, but Ryan Anderson finished game with first units for only 2-3 games. Saying he usually finishes games with the starters definitely is one of your delusional thinking I was talking about. (I mean no offense here). I will comment on how playing with starter will affect his play later. This logic has been argued over and over again on other boards, do you people better when you play along side star players? you can argue either way. Ray Allen should get more open shots in boston as the 3rd option than he did as first option in Seattle right, since KG and PP will get double teamed and Ray Allen would be wide open right? By your logic, his % should be better and get more points? Neither are true. This is not set in stones. Coming off the Bench means you are playing other teams second Unit as well. Bottom line is, we can make argument for whichever side, so it's really not something concrete that you can convince anyone. Good Questions, Ryan probably has slight advantage in most of them. Some of them are arguable. But three of them he definitely does not do better than Yi. Ryan does not play better defense than Yi. Ryan does not make his own shot better than Yi. Ryan does not have better post moves than Yi. There are some questions I could ask too. Does Yi run the floor better? Does Yi get open more often? Does Yi alter more shots? Does Yi have harder defensive assignments against first unit players? Does Yi rebound better? Does Yi get back on Defense faster? If Ryan Anderson truly performed much better than Yi, Frank would be stupid not to start him. He might say he's letting Yi swim or sink, that might not be his true intention or thoughts.
Ryan definitely plays better defense than Yi. Yi is one of the worst defenders I have ever seen. I don't think he should start, but Anderson is clearly a better player than Yi is right now. His hustle, IQ, and not being afraid to attack the basket make him a better player. Hopefully Yi will get there eventually, but as of now, Anderson is a better player.
Dude, they should pay you to be an NBA analyst, your insight is outstanding. You just talk straight, no need for stats or anything. Ryan is the engine that runs the Nets. MVP Anderson. Frank need to be fired, I mean Nets doing so bad right now. Why is a superstar like Ryan coming off the bench???
As of now....better defender, Anderson.....better overall Player, Yi. Why, Yi? He's more agile and mobile, he's got really impressive offensive tools for a 4 spotter (Diet Dirk), once Yi starts attacking the paint and getting to the free throw line, who would you rather have starting at the 4? Now add in the factor that Yi can be a great help-defender (see Camby) a few seasons down the road. Why are people high on Yi? Cause he has the tools to be an excellent offensive forward in addition to a solid defender (once he gets his timing down, he'll block more shots). Final Analysis: Anderson = A Damn good role Player Yi = A potential 18-7-3 player, in other words a 2nd String All-Star. that is all.
let me know when you want to have a serious discussion..., btw great game by Yi especially in the first half. Now do we have to wait another 4 to 5 games for the next one or will it be sooner. He seems to do well against weaker opponents that play poor defense. Lets see how he does on a back to back against phila even without brand... before you proclaim him all world...
All we want from Yi is consistency. This isn't a competition between Yi and Ryan. They are different players, in different situations, and teammates. Yi is no longer a rookie, and he has gobs of international experience to call on. As Nets fans, we just want him to be consistent, and be able to knock down roughly half of his wide-open shots from the perimeter. Ryan has a lot of skills, and he has a knack for being in the right place. But he is very young and has a lot of growth in front of him. Next season, we'll expect to see that growth, if not sooner. Yi SHOULD be better than Ryan, he SHOULD be more consistent, he SHOULD be the unquestioned starter. He's got a ton of talent, but the draft history logs are littered with long-forgotten players who had a ton of talent.
Forget just Nets fans wanting him to be consistent. EVERYONE wants him to be consistent. It certainly p1sses me off when he can knock down the open 2's and improve his defense.
and if you recall i did predict he would have a good game tonight because it was the 4th or 5th game since his last one. He's right on cue. Lets see if he can build on tonight great performance. And, btw i too hope he turns out to be a great pro, just want to see ( like Dumpy said..) more consistency.,,, oh yeah, go nets,,,, and great win tonight, and again great performance by Yi.
Show me where I have ever claim Yi to be all world even after his good games? The guy is still a young and raw player. Everyone is disappointed with his inconsistency. However just understand the role is being asked to play for the Nets. Yi is right now a 4th and at best maybe 3rd option on offense for the Nets. When you're being ask to be a perimeter shooter, you're going to have good and off nights. You also do understand that outside of the first two options, most teams in the NBA don't have a consistent third scoring option don't you?
