-17 with outlaw at PF

that's what we were today in a 1 point win (aldridge +18). bring back frye!

 

that was in less than 10 minutes, too.

 

leaves Joel real lonely down low on rebounds and defense. Frye isn't a good defender, but he is still much more of a sturdy body than Outlaw (especially for setting picks!).

 

I like Ike! Let's see what he can do!

 

i assume he was deactivated with webster back, so probably not gonna happen.

 

You really don't want Ike, he's worse than Frye. I'm serious.

 

And yet he was +2 at Boston and Roy was -18 or something.

Take it with a grain of salt.

 

i recall he played PF against boston for a couple minutes in the first half and we looked terrible then, too. he was +2 for the game because he was +10 or so playing SF with frye and joel against their scrubs during the comeback.

normally yes, but watching the last two games i can see with my own eyes that the numbers mean something. we were a very weak rebounding poor defensive team with him at 4. we fell apart all 3 of his stints at PF in the last 2 games, including when the raps blitzed us early in the 4th Q today.

 

I'd rather have TO at SF too, but whatchagonnado?

 

Start a thread bashing Outlaw at PF for one game based on the OP's own bias against Outlaw?

 

this is nothing new. defense/rebounding has always suffered with outlaw at PF.

 

I agree! I'd much rather see Ike than Frye. At least Ike can bring some toughness.

 

I'd prefer to see both TO and Frye traded (one of them for sure), but only if it brings back a quality backup PF such as David Lee or similar.

 

First of all, David Lee is a starter, no question about it.

Secondly, while I haven't been in love with our backup power forward roatation this year, all backup power forwards that could be had in trade are going to have warts and flaws in their game (if they didn't they'd be starters). The biggest problems with Frye and Outlaw is that neither are good rebounders, both are poor defensively, and they're both are jump shooters -- there's not much variety in what they have to give you.

 

Actually, there is a difference - while both Outlaw and Frye are not good defensive PF - Outlaw is better - especially in help-defense - and Outlaw is a much bigger offensive force than Frye.

FWIW - As nice as David Lee looks from an offense/rebounding point of view - he is not a good defender at all...

 

i think it's original poster

 

The sooner those people who only look at stats to determine how a player is doing realize that Travis Outlaw is a really bad basketball player the better off they will be.

 

Yeah, someone should really separate Nate from the stat-sheet - he keeps putting Travis in at the end of close games and we keep winning them.

Sheesh, Travis, have the decency to botch some of these close games when you are in there so we can lose them and can replace you with someone that does not have your winning stat-sheet but people who watch the game can clearly see how much better he is.