JRich traded to Suns

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  1. HiRez

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    Five player deal, JRich, Jared Dudley + second round pick to Phoenix for Diaw, Bell, and Sean Singletary. Good for him.
     
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    Wow good deal for the Suns. Nash/JRich/Shaq. That's not a bad trio.
     
  3. #1_War_Poet_ForLife

    #1_War_Poet_ForLife The Baker of Cakes

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    Too bad they have that Amare guy bogging them down.
     
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    And too bad they're supposedly a defense first team, which means JRich won't get along too well with Terry Porter. This deal would have made sense with D'Antoni as the coach, but not so much with Porter.
     
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    I'm happy for J-Rich. He's going to a better team. That's a pretty potent starting 5 there with Shaq, Nash, Amare. Too bad we have to face them 4 times this year.
     
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    I don't get it -- do the Cats get cap relief? I think Diaw's contract is longer than JRich's, but I don't know about Bell's. And, the Cats have to give the Suns a draft pick, too?! Someone please explain this deal to me, because it looks like the Suns are getting a steal...
     
  7. DynastYWarrioR6

    DynastYWarrioR6 JBB SmurfY

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    Looking at what ESPN said, the deal is a wash financially. JRich isn't a Larry Brown type of player, while Diaw and Bell are. So that might be the motivation behind that move. I also think Bell and Diaw will make Charlotte a little more stable, even though they still don't have a playmaker.

    JRich will only help Phoenix if they run and gun, if they keep it slow like Porter has them doing, then it won't really make much of a difference. This slow offense has made Nash worse, Amare worse, and Barbosa worse. Only person benefiting from this is Shaq, cause now he has more time to breathe.
     
  8. Clif25

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    Oh yeah, I forgot about Amare. Big oops there.

    It's not so great of news if the Suns are not a running team anymore though. JRich flourishes in the open court. But he's pretty good shooter and such. I am interested in how that all pans out in Arizona now.
     
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    Salary move to certain degree. With that trade, then can shed Bell and his 5 mils in 2010 FA market. If they don't extend Morrison (may be able to keep Felton), they will probably have enough room to offer one max contract. This probably means that it was very hard to dump Wallace and his 5 years contract, and that's not a good news for Warriors and Maggette. Again, this type of move frustrate me, because some teams try so hard to dump contracts to enter 2010 FA market, and we had to give Jackson an extension for no good reason to take ourselves out from the 2010 FA market. But then, it's Rowell, and it should be natural to not expect any good thing...
     
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    JRich will probably do well in Phoenix because he doesn't have to dribble or create; just shoot and run the floor.
     
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    He'll also have to defend. Last I knew, that wasn't his strong suit.
     
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    Yep, Mullin did all that work to set up the Warriors financially -- I mean that's the sole reason why GS traded JRich for Brandan Wright in the first place, as well as not signing Baron, and don't forget dumping Derek Fisher's contract on Utah, and moving DunMurphy for Jax/Harrington which saved some $$, and using D-League instead of FA.

    All of these things, along with good draft picks, helped Mully to create a situation where, for the first time in a very long time (see the Gary St. Jean disaster), GS had tons of young prospects, and tons of cap room. At the start of this offseason, GS was the envy of the league -- one of the best financial and foundational positions in the league.

    Then they go and sign Maggette.

    That one move crippled GS flexibility enough, but then they make a senseless extension to Jackson when every other GM in the league was laughing at Rowell's pointless maneuver...

    Lastly, they mishandle the Harrington situation -- he was an asset financially, a very trade-able asset -- and yet instead of getting some type of cap relief, they use him to sign Crawford, who, as a player I like, but as part of the financial and foundational future of the organization, just doesn't make sense.

    Now? GS is strapped financially, and locked into players (Crawford, Jax, Mags) who are not stars and who, for the most part, do not make those around them better.

    What a change!
     
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    Do you have to do that, just build us up and tear us down?
     
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    Pretty good recap of our early season. Don't forget the Azubuike signing. Not that it's a huge contract, but in hindsight, do we really need Azubuike given all the guards we already had? I thought that was more the Warriors using the benefit of him being a restricted FA (see Gilbert Arenas) and making sure the Clippers don't take another player from us.
     
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    True, it did take some cap space, but it's only about 3 mils per year, and at the time I thought it was pretty important to retain Az for that price. That's why I left it off the list, because I think he deserved to be re-signed.

    I was tempted to add the Turiaf signing to that list...he's making 4.5 mils this year.... at the time the deal was made, I posted that it was a bad financial move, a panic move. But now, I can see how valuable he is to this team, and how important it was to get a big man that Nellie would actually put in the ball game.




    Now, I'm no cap expert, however...


    Put it this way: no Maggette + no Harrington (comes off books in 2009, unless player option, then 2010) = 19 mils free space. You could do some pretty good things with that in summer 2010, right?

    Well, don't even start thinking about that yet, because: Jackson's extension starts in 2010 at 8.5 mils. Suppose you gave no extension...

    No Maggette signing, Harrington comes off books, Jax comes off books.... GS would have an extra 27.5 mils free space in summer 2010.

    (This isn't even taking into account Foyle's phantom 6.8 mils which comes off at the end of this year, or Marcus Williams' 1.2 mils... That's an extra 8 mils...)


    Hmm... hmmm... hmmm... still thinking.... yep, that would be more than just about anybody.


    You could hand out three different 9 mils/year contracts. Or you could sign LeBron for 20 mils/ year and still have 7.5 mils to give to somebody else (say Brandan Wright if he becomes a starter). Pretty much you're in fantasy land with that much cap space...

    Oh wait, not any more...

    http://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state.htm



    P.S. And don't give me that "Free Agents won't want to come to GS..." With the young nucleus of Monta/Beans, plus the awesome fanbase, arena, and all the young talent, and the fact that if a superstar came here it would be their team... I think many superstars would love to play here.

    P.S.S. Let me just show the list one more time:

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9031
     
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    Oh boy. You made me go look at the Warriors cap situation with the recent signings/extensions http://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state.htm. Holy cow that is bad. Maggette and Jackson will be around until 2013? That is horrible. That is sick.

    Man, I am being of a fan that has management that makes moves like that? Jeesh. Can we get a do-over here?
     
  17. Kwan1031

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    And, all those damage happened in two months, and we are screwed for next 5 years. Isn't this just great? But then, at least, Maggett's signing, Jackson's extension, and Crawford trade improved this team significantly, right? Oh wait... I didn't think Warriors would reunite with Mullin ver. 1 this quickly. But then, Rowell really duplicated the work, and now, we need yet another Davis trade, Walsh and big time brawl to get out of this mess. Can we be lucky again?
     
  18. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Good for Jrich. I love the guy. He's still a warrior for life. I hope the dubs can bring him back at some point. How about a swap for Mags?
     

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