Some random NBA thoughts

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  1. SportsTicker

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    --Tomorrow is the first day that players signed over the summer can be traded. I expect the Nets to make some kind of move this week, even if it's sending Sean Williams down to the D-League. I can't imagine them acquiring a player who doesn't play defense like a Sergio Rodriguez or a J.J. Redick or an Adam Morrison or a Marco Belinelli. Not now. The most likely acquisition is a veteran defender. Swift is the most likely player to be traded. I don't see Williams having any significant value, unless they are going to stockpile picks and use him to get a couple of second rounders.

    --The Nets right now are the only team with an unprotected first round pick in the 2010 draft. That becomes an increasingly valuable property. If it's a lottery pick, it could help in the 2010 free agency. The Nets will have, barring trades, eight or nine players on long term deals or rookie contracts plus three first round picks by 2010. (Other teams are likely to get first round picks in 2010--Utah, the Knicks' pick; OKC, the Suns' pick; Memphis, the Lakers' pick; and the Wolves, the Jazz pick, but they all depend on the lottery this May).

    --My hope for the 2009 first rounder: Earl Clark of Rahway. Nets dont have a second rounder. They traded it to Seattle for Mikki Moore (a really brilliant trade) and the Sonics/Thunder traded it to Charlotte. My guess is that if the Nets and Bobcats do a deal, the Nets might want it back...or not.

    --The economy is pushing a lot of moves. Five coaches fired and a lot of major trades before the schedule is one quarter done smacks of desperation. Teams are looking at empty stands and are panicking, figuring that the fan base is dwindling as people retrench in their spending habits...so they make changes quicker. The Nets are not immune from that line of thinking...although Kiki claims they are sticking with their "business plan", meaning planning for 2010.

    --Talking about the economy, you're starting to see stories about NBA players wanting out of European, particularly Russian league, contracts...Pargo and Delfino in particular. Unless the teams in question agree to let the players go, they're screwed. All those leagues, like the NBA, are part of FIBA, the Federation of International Basketball Associations. They all honor each others' contracts. NY papers claims Pargo wants to play for the Knicks, but remember the Nets have pursued him three straight years.

    --Don't know if Jaycee Carroll has any loyalty to the Nets, but he is sure playing well in Italy. He is averaging 18.8 ppg and shooting 54% from beyond the arc. Seems he is playing combo guard as he did in summer league. Like Krstic and Nachbar, he has a player option this June. (He did well against Brandon Jennings in their matchup, scoring 16 to Jennings' 11.)

    --The Mavs are red hot. Kidd isn't putting up individual numbers, but Dirk sure is. Nets will have a hard time with Dallas, leading to all sorts of revisionism on the trade from basketball writers who for the most part are only one level above political writers in terms of their short term memories.

    --Obama's pick for HUD Secretary is NYC's Housing Commissioner Shaun Donovan, who supported the Atlantic Yards development. Things may not be looking good for Ratner short term, but longer term, a lot of things are falling his way--accelerated hearings on the last significant appeal, an IRS ruling in favor of tax-exempt bonds, this appointment. He also has two big projects underway, with financing in place. And NO politician has stepped back from supporting the project.

    --Knicks did well on the Harrington trade. He is looking like the player he thinks he is, averaging 25.5 ppg since arriving...shooting 40% from the three and grabbing 7.8 boards On the other side of the ledger, Zach Randolph looks like he is worth his enormous contract. He is averaging 24 and 10 for the Clippers and in the last three games is averaging 29.7 and 12.
     
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    Pargo, Delfino, Krstic and the rest of the players in Russia are probably not going to come back this season, despite their teams' financial problems. It is very rare for a team to release such highly-touted players mid-season. Zalgiris released their best player, Marcus Brown, earlier this season but they were in much deeper financial problems than Dynamo Moscow and Triumph. I'd say that if the economy there doesn't improve, the chances of those guys returning next season are pretty high.

    Also, since you mentioned Jennings: he and Rubio faced off on Thursday in the Euroleague for the first time. Jennnings started and played 23 minutes, scoring 12 points on 5/10 shooting. Rubio, who is coming back from a long injury, played 9 minutes off the bench and didn't attempt a shot but passed 3 assists. If you want a deeper analysis of their first game, check the International Basketball forum. Since the Nets might be a lottery team next summer, they need to start looking at Jennings seriously and even Rubio (who knows, might get lucky like the Bulls).
     
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    I wouldn't say it is likely, but it is possible that Utah gets our pick next year. If the Knicks make the playoffs this season, then it will go to Utah and we'll have our pick in 2010.
     
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    Sorry, but you are wrong. The pick is not lottery protected. it is protected 1-22...so the Knicks would have to pick 23-30 and THAT is not going to happen.

    From NBADraft.net:

    Utah receives a 2009 New York first-round pick (top 22 protected in 2009 and unprotected in 2010) (Tom Gugliotta trade 021904) via Phoenix (Marbury trade) Phoenix receives a 2005 New York Knicks first-round pick. (010504 Marbury trade).

    http://www.nbadraft.net/2009draftnotes.html
     
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    Don't the Knick have the right to give Utah a higher pick? So if the Knicks have the 15th pick in the draft in 2009, they won't be able to give it to Utah if they want?

    If the pick is protected 1-22, doesn't that mean it's lottery protected, as the lottery is 1-14?
     
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    Lets go after Rasheed lol
     
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    (sigh)
     
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    hey netincome,
    longtime lurker/but new poster. I love all your stuff on netsdaily, btw. is that your cite? it's great.

    I'd love to see the Nets get Morrison. They need another shooter. Go Nets!
     
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    Jaycee Carroll played well in the summer leagues. He seems like a guy that could come in and hit open shots.
     
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    That would have to be negotiated and the Jazz would have to agree.

    -Petey
     
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    protected 1-22 means that the Knicks get to keep the pick ONLY if the Knicks pick is #23, #24, #25, #26, #27, #28, #29 or #30. For the Knicks to pick that low they would have not only be in the playoffs, but win around 47 games. They won't win 47 games. They are more likely to either be in the lottery or sneak into the playoffs.

    The Jazz dont get to choose when to take the pick. If the pick is, as noted above, between #23 and #30, they have to take it. If it's not, then the Jazz get the Knicks pick in 2010, no matter where it is...#1 through #30. I am sure the Jazz will be rooting against the Knicks all season long in 2010.

    The Nets have the Mavs pick, unprotected, in 2010, no if's, and's or but's.
     
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    Actually it's the inverse. Knicks only keep pick if it's 1-22. The seecond paragraph is correct.

    I think the question is if the Knicks have the 20th pick can they opt to wave the protection and give it to the Jazz and then keep their pick in 2010 regardless of where it is.
     
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    Yeah, I was 99% sure that was the case. I never heard of teams protecting their picks higher in the draft.
     
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    Demar Derozen has been dropping. He has been called the next Vince Carter and wouldn't mind drafting him. This kid has all the hops just needs experience.
     
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    If he is dropping then he isnt the next Vince Carter.
     

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