Ok I thinm the two careers are pretty even and Kobe is better right now so Kobe is my choice. Honestly though Kobe fans are being a bit biased. I mean your saing Kobe is pretty much better at everything then AI besides stealing the ball but that isnt true. Steals isnt even the biggest thing hes better at then Kobe. First off is passing. Iverson is one of the best blind passers in the league and can get off some amazing passes. Next is playmaking. Since he has switched to PG he has become a very good playmaker. he can create people shots or his own, get the ball to someone down low or take it there himself. Another thing is quickness. At the age of 30 and 31 in less than a month AI is arguably still the quickest player in the league. He can still be harder to guard than Kobe. He is better conditioned. The fact that he was playing 43 mpg at the age of 30 proves that. This last thing is something you can definetly not say about Kobe. Allen Iverson is 30, 6 feet tall and has had an injury in over 200 different places in the body. There is nobody else in the league that can be playing as well as Iverson is w/ those conditions. Still though I wont deny it. Kobe is the better player in the league. I do think AI has had a better career but Kobe is better right now and im pretty sure right now is what were debating
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ May 28 2006, 01:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok I thinm the two careers are pretty even and Kobe is better right now so Kobe is my choice. Honestly though Kobe fans are being a bit biased. I mean your saing Kobe is pretty much better at everything then AI besides stealing the ball but that isnt true. Steals isnt even the biggest thing hes better at then Kobe. First off is passing. Iverson is one of the best blind passers in the league and can get off some amazing passes. Next is playmaking. Since he has switched to PG he has become a very good playmaker. he can create people shots or his own, get the ball to someone down low or take it there himself. Another thing is quickness. At the age of 30 and 31 in less than a month AI is arguably still the quickest player in the league. He can still be harder to guard than Kobe. He is better conditioned. The fact that he was playing 43 mpg at the age of 30 proves that. This last thing is something you can definetly not say about Kobe. Allen Iverson is 30, 6 feet tall and has had an injury in over 200 different places in the body. There is nobody else in the league that can be playing as well as Iverson is w/ those conditions. Still though I wont deny it. Kobe is the better player in the league. I do think AI has had a better career but Kobe is better right now and im pretty sure right now is what were debating</div>AI isnt as conditioned as Kobe. He's not strong physically. He's small and gets beat up in games when he drives to the basket. Kobe is 6'7 and strong. AI is extremely strong mentally, and thats what I love about him. he's tough phycially, but he isnt strong physically. he's tough, he takes the pain.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AirBlaze @ May 28 2006, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AI isnt as conditioned as Kobe. He's not strong physically. He's small and gets beat up in games when he drives to the basket. Kobe is 6'7 and strong. AI is extremely strong mentally, and thats what I love about him. he's tough phycially, but he isnt strong physically. he's tough, he takes the pain.</div>How is AI not as conditioned as Kobe??? He averaged more minutes a game then Kobe and has his whole career
A better way to put it is that AI has more stamina than Kobe, whereas Kobe is more physically conditioned than Iverson (i.e. stronger). AI averages 41,7 minutes per game in his career... Kobe averages 35.7 minutes per game over his career. At an age where many "experts" predicted Iverson to slow down... he went out and played the second highest minutes per game in his career (43.7).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 28 2006, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A better way to put it is that AI has more stamina than Kobe, whereas Kobe is more physically conditioned than Iverson (i.e. stronger). AI averages 41,7 minutes per game in his career... Kobe averages 35.7 minutes per game over his career. At an age where many "experts" predicted Iverson to slow down... he went out and played the second highest minutes per game in his career (43.7).</div>LOL thanks big mo you said perfectly what ive been trying to say lol
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 28 2006, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A better way to put it is that AI has more stamina than Kobe, whereas Kobe is more physically conditioned than Iverson (i.e. stronger). AI averages 41,7 minutes per game in his career... Kobe averages 35.7 minutes per game over his career. At an age where many "experts" predicted Iverson to slow down... he went out and played the second highest minutes per game in his career (43.7).</div>Kobe started 7 games in his first 2 seasons. And overall in his career, because he's been to the playoffs so many times, he's played 89 more games than AI. You'd think playing All NBA first team defense and leading the team's offense would tire him, but no.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ May 28 2006, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe started 7 games in his first 2 seasons. And overall in his career, because he's been to the playoffs so many times, he's played 89 more games than AI. You'd think playing All NBA first team defense and leading the team's offense would tire him, but no.</div>Yeah and you would think Allen Iverson getting banged up every game and getting all his injuries and the fact that hes nearly 3 years older than Kobe slow him down to wouldn't you :happy0144:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ May 28 2006, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe started 7 games in his first 2 seasons. And overall in his career, because he's been to the playoffs so many times, he's played 89 more games than AI. You'd think playing All NBA first team defense and leading the team's offense would tire him, but no.</div>Who cares if he only started 7 games his first two seasons? Despite that, he played in 71 and 79 games those first two years, and 15 minutes per game the first season and 26 minutes per game the second season.Kobe has only been leading the Lakers offense for two years now... three maximum, whereas AI has been doing it for 10 years.Also, the pounding that AI takes pretty much equates the extra playoff games Kobe plays.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 29 2006, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's been leading it for 4 years :happy0144:</div>I consider it to be three seasons. Why? Obviously Kobe has been leading the offense these past two seasons, and in 2004 he led the Lakers with 30 points per game. In their final championship season, Shaq still led the team in scoring (barely) and was still the focal point of the triangle, thus I consider that he still led that team offensively, although Kobe played his biggest role out of all three championship seasons that year.
Kobe took over the reigns of the team when Shaq had surgery on his toe in 2002.2002-20032003-20042004-20052005-20064 seasonsCoincidentally we never won a championship after shaq's toe injury. Shaq's pride was hurt when Kobe become the first option.
Hm, yes indeed, Kobe was the first option in 2002-03. For some reason I had that in my head as the year the Lakers beat NJ in the Finals, but that was a year earlier. My mistake.Either way, 10 years for AI compared to 4 years for Kobe...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 29 2006, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hm, yes indeed, Kobe was the first option in 2002-03. For some reason I had that in my head as the year the Lakers beat NJ in the Finals, but that was a year earlier. My mistake.Either way, 10 years for AI compared to 4 years for Kobe...</div>True, i agree Ai is a beast. He's getting better with age, hopefully he leaves the sixers and teams up with KG :happy0144:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 29 2006, 03:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>True, i agree Ai is a beast. He's getting better with age, hopefully he leaves the sixers and teams up with KG :happy0144:</div>I think it is a possibility, especially with Sixers GM Billy King exploring Iverson deals more than he ever has in the past (Iverson was almost dealt to Denver at the deadline)... and then we have Minnesota saying they would be willing to give up their 6th pick to get a veteran player. I'm sure Minnesota will make a run at Iverson, and they have some decent young players for the Sixers to choose from (McCants, Griffen, Davis, Hassel... although he isn't young).I'd love to see an AI/KG combo... eh, but we'll see.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 29 2006, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it is a possibility, especially with Sixers GM Billy King exploring Iverson deals more than he ever has in the past (Iverson was almost dealt to Denver at the deadline)... and then we have Minnesota saying they would be willing to give up their 6th pick to get a veteran player. I'm sure Minnesota will make a run at Iverson, and they have some decent young players for the Sixers to choose from (McCants, Griffen, Davis, Hassel... although he isn't young).I'd love to see an AI/KG combo... eh, but we'll see.</div>I hear there were going to trade him for earl watson AI/KG would sell tickets and would win a championship. AI and KG would both get that championship they wanted. As a sixer fan would you feel disappointed if he left the sixers and went to minny? Would you feel disrespected? I certainly wouldn't if a guy put his heart and soul out for his franchise and could not win.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 29 2006, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who cares if he only started 7 games his first two seasons? Despite that, he played in 71 and 79 games those first two years, and 15 minutes per game the first season and 26 minutes per game the second season.</div>He was trying to say that two years of not starting brings down your minutes per game. Kobe's been at forty minutes per game since those two years...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, the pounding that AI takes pretty much equates the extra playoff games Kobe plays.</div>Anyway you cut it 744 games does not equal 833 games...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 27 2006, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The fact is that Allen iverson is a poor defender, that's what makes kobe better.</div>What are you talking about, he avgs. 2 stls a game!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sham @ May 29 2006, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What are you talking about, he avgs. 2 stls a game!! </div>Please understand that steals are probably the worst stat to guage defensive ability...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo_061 @ May 29 2006, 05:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hear there were going to trade him for earl watson </div>Earl Watson was part of the deal... but whatever way you look at it, it was a horrible deal for the Sixers, and a good deal for both AI and the Nuggets. If I remember correctly, the Sixers were getting Andre Miller, K-Mart and Watson... that is sh*t right there.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>AI/KG would sell tickets and would win a championship. AI and KG would both get that championship they wanted. As a sixer fan would you feel disappointed if he left the sixers and went to minny? Would you feel disrespected? I certainly wouldn't if a guy put his heart and soul out for his franchise and could not win.</div>I wouldn't feel disappointed... mainly because he has given everything he can to the city and the franchise. Also, the Sixers are the ones who want him gone and want to start rebuilding... AI has repeatedly said that he wants to stay a Sixer for life, but the chances of that are decreasing by the second. If they do end up trading him, I hope for his sake that he atleast gets put into a better situation than Philly is in, otherwise we might as well keep him.Of course I"d love KG to come to Philly to pair up with AI... but unfortunately our GM is too stupid to do that.
