"Is Jerryd Bayless the shot in the arm the Blazers need?" -Oregonian

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  1. andalusian

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    Bad stat - he plays next to a ball dominating guard in Roy. What you really want to look at is assist% - and he is pretty decent there despite the fact that he plays next to Roy. Of course - with so many of Portland's points coming from iso plays and assists from Roy - 25% is very very respectable.
     
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    BalancedMan That's out of context....

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    Barea shouldn't be a no name. He absolutely lit up the summer league the year before last. He played amazing.
     
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    I wouldn't say horrible...but he certainly is not that much of an improvement over Sergio defensively that is for sure.....

    and I thought Barea was blowing by Blake not Sergio in the 4th quarter....

    and Outlaw is a HORRIBLE defender...oh sure if you ask him to freelance and offer some help defense he will come up with a spectacular defensive play here and there...but he is moire often than not clueless defensively when he is out there


    The "6 year rookie"

    :lol:
     
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    Would you please stop using statistics and logic to back up your claims? :dunno:
     
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    PapaG, the two are not always the same.
     
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    Well, then all we are left with is opinion, and arguing opinions is like riding a merry-go-round.

    What I thought when I read the stats posted was "wow, I didn't know Blake assisted on such a high percentage of baskets", and also "wow, did somebody REALLY try to make the argument that Webster was better at distributing"?

    These are things that I think when confronted with raw data.
     
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    The answer to your second question was no.

    Your first contention isn't necessarily true either. "Logic" can be used to read the same stat different ways. That's all I was saying.

    Most of the time, you use stats to back up opinions you have by applying a form of logic to it to make the case fit. That's fine and dandy. I attempt, most of the time, to use stats to back up observations. So I'm pulling from two "factual" sources (video observation and statistical methods) while sometimes some in here use stats to attempt to justify a gut feeling.

    Examples of Gut Feeling Stats: "Blake sucks, and here's the proof!" "Joel's a great center, and here's the proof!", "Sergio's horrible, look at his +/-"
    Examples of Observation + Stats: "Joel looks like he's making a lot more baskets around the hoop this year. Oh wait, he's shooting 82% from close and dunk vs. 62% for his career". "Sergio seemed to play well on offense and team average on defense. Why's he getting called out? Here's the stat breakdown and play-by-play".

    Etc.
     
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    Eh, I'm bored and the kids are headed toward Bend with the grandparents while my wife is watching TLC downstairs.

    Good points all, no complaints here.
     
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    LOL No worries. Enjoy the game.

    Tonight i'm going to help out at the homeless shelter for maybe the last time. They need $1M for next year's budget or they'll have to close. Doesn't look like they'll get it. DVR for me tonight.
     
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    Good for you. Where is the shelter? I don't have Comcast, so I can't watch the game.
     
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    Belltown in Seattle. City Team Mission.
     
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    Ah. Looks like I won't be able to lend a hand tonight. My brother and his family are snowbound in Bothell though.
     
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