Some points BCB wants people to see.

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  1. BrewCityBuck

    BrewCityBuck The guy with 17,000 Posts.

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    1. People are going all ga ga over Mike James' season, saying he's MIP player, you definatly have a point but your talking about a guy who is 30 years old and has never averaged more then 12ppg in a season. He is putting up great numbers but it's his contract year and people need to realize this. He's playing in Toronto where he can shoot as much as he wants. Teams should be VERY reluctant to waste more than 5 million on him. 2. Dwight Howard is getting some support for DPY here and I have noticed it. He's a great rebounder (12.6 a game) but the troubling thing is that people think he's a great shotblocker (1.5 bpg), nothing impressive at all. Then you have a guy like Shawn Marion getting 11.9 rebounds and 1.9 bpg and he plays much better one on one defense and this guy gets half the defensive praise as Howard. Thanks for reading.
     
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    DRob-50-Forever BBW Elite Member

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    Well first I'll just assume your talking about Mike James, haha. The thing with Howard is that he is only 20 years old and is in his second season. By now everyone knows that Marion is a superb defender and has gotten his praise. With Howard it's his age and improvement. But I agree I wouldn't give him DPY. With Marion what impresses me is his boards and blocks for the fact that he is playing the 3 again this year, which limits his low post time. Who has really impressed me this season on D is Josh Smith, well atlest as far as blocks go, 2.25 BPG. My vote for DPY this year would go to Bowen, it's about damn time he got it, as always he just does his thing.
     
  3. Nick

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    Pretty good writing man I like what you said about Dwight I kinda in a way agree.
     
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    So what if it's his contract year. If he's better then he was in his past years, then he should get some praise. I don't think he is MIP, but he deserves some of the talk of MIP for this year. No argument over Howard, although he did a good job against Duncan this year, he's not a lock down defender I think DPOY should be.
     
  5. BrewCityBuck

    BrewCityBuck The guy with 17,000 Posts.

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    I'm just saying with James: It's probably a fluke season and he will go back to being half <Censored> and inconsistant after he gets paid.
     
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    Ive always thought he was a good PG, but like you said, like most players, his numbers shot up in his contract year, doesnt hurt that he is on a weak team where he can put up even better numbers (see Stephen Jackson, Atlanta Hawks 2003)..
     
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    Well I don't know why anyone said that Howard would win DPOY because he isn't among the best like Artest, Ben Wallace, Camby and Duncan or even Shawn. I think we just praise him for the fact that he IS 20 YEARS OLD and he gets 12.6 bpg. That's completely nuts. And most young players aren't great defenders at first he still has a lot of time to improve on that and his shotblocking which is still good for a 20 year old.The respect is well deserved for Howard.
     
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    BrewCityBuck The guy with 17,000 Posts.

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoopskidd5 @ Feb 21 2006, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ive always thought he was a good PG, but like you said, like most players, his numbers shot up in his contract year, doesnt hurt that he is on a weak team where he can put up even better numbers (see Stephen Jackson, Atlanta Hawks 2003)..</div> Stephen Jackson put up 18ppg that year and the following year put up 18.7 and all his numbers improved so...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Feb 21 2006, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stephen Jackson put up 18ppg that year and the following year put up 18.7 and all his numbers improved so...</div>Yes, but he played on a minimum contract that year and performed well on a weak team to earn his contract. He ended up playing well afterward, but if it werent for that year with Atlanta he wouldnt have gotten the type of contract he ended up getting. Remember, he was offered like a 3 year, $9 million deal by San Antonio, but turned it down and played for a big contract with his run in Atlanta..If he doesnt put up those numbers, he doesnt get his contract after the season..
     
  10. BrewCityBuck

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, but he played on a minimum contract that year and performed well on a weak team to earn his contract. He ended up playing well afterward, but if it werent for that year with Atlanta he wouldnt have gotten the type of contract he ended up getting. Remember, he was offered like a 3 year, $9 million deal by San Antonio, but turned it down and played for a big contract with his run in Atlanta..If he doesnt put up those numbers, he doesnt get his contract after the season.</div> But Stephen Jackson was 24 during that season...he was not 30 years old.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Feb 21 2006, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But Stephen Jackson was 24 during that season...he was not 30 years old.</div>True, but the point is that season with a weak team got him that contract, similar to what is taking place with James this year..
     
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    I completely agree with both, but Mike James more. I've even said it before, he's the Mark Blount of this year.
     
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    I don't think Mike James should get MIP, but saying he doesn't get it because it's his contract year is pointless. It's Most Improved Player, not Player Most Likely to Remain Improved. Saying he shouldn't get it because of his contract year is like saying he shouldn't get it cause my balls are bigAnd I completely agree, Shawn Marion is so underapreciated it ain't even funny.
     
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    Mike James shouldnt get MIP, in my opinion, it should be David West of the Hornets, he has really stepped up this season and along with Chris Paul has lead the way for that young team that has really surprised people and is now in contention for a playoff birth, something nobody could have predicted prior to this season..
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think Mike James should get MIP, but saying he doesn't get it because it's his contract year is pointless. It's Most Improved Player, not Player Most Likely to Remain Improved. Saying he shouldn't get it because of his contract year is like saying he shouldn't get it cause my balls are bigAnd I completely agree, Shawn Marion is so underapreciated it ain't even funny.</div> Sorry but I was emphasizing teams shouldn't waste money on him, not him not winning MIP.
     
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    I wasnt responding to you I was responding to KMart, looking back I misread his post though, and thought he said he believed James should be the recipient of the award..Misunderstanding, my b..
     
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    I was responding to KMart...damn this confusing.
     
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    Mike James will make money, probably goin to the Lakers if they were smart but not giving 4+ years or over the exception. In the case of DHow for best D player, it wont happen, to many better players.
     
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    Yeah we don't need Mike James anymore after maybe one more season. I feel bad for the guy. He's a journeymen. People keep on dumping him off. I hope when he signs with a new team he will stay there for atleast a couple of seasons.
     
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    I could see Detroit having interest in him in the offseason for the MLE if they can lock up Wallace and are confident in their ability to resign Billups the next year..
     

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