And how many assists does Ike have? Channing has 16. Let me know when Ike gets his first. He doesn't even look to pass. So yes, in my book that makes him a selfish ballhog. BNM
Do you want to know how many Frye would have if he'd get them at the same rate that he does this year but had played as many minutes as Ike? 2.29. And in their careers (including this season, which you are inexplicably giving so much weight to re: Ike) they have a difference of 0.2 assists per 36 minutes (1.3 to 1.1). Quite a difference there, huh? Frye's a regular John Stockton. Of course, you might be right that since Ike doesn't have one in 51 minutes, he would go 357 minutes without one. It's just very, very unlikely. If they both played 9 minutes next game and Ike got 3 assists to Frye's 0, would you consider Frye the black hole of the two? After all, Ike would have a higher assist/minute rate. Ed O.
I'm talking about this year and what I've seen from Ike. He is in a contract year (so is Frye) and playing VERY selfishly. I haven't seen him pass the ball once, let alone get an actual assist. Every time he touches it, he shoots - no matter what. Nice stretch. I never said anything remotely like that. I will say this. The way Ike Diogu is playing right now, he makes Eddie Curry look like a capable and willing passer. I would be less surprised to see him with zero assists in 357 minutes than the 16 Frye has in that many minutes. In fact, I would be absolutely stunned to see Ike rack up 16 assists in his next 306 minutes. Why would it change my opinion of Frye? It wouldn't lower the number of assists Frye has. If Diogu is suddenly less of a black hole, that doesn't make Frye more of one. What it would do is totally shock me. Ike's career high for assists is 3. He did it once in his rookie year and once in his second season - and neither time in 9 minutes. It would be unprecedented. And, if anything he's playing much more selfishly now, in a contract year, than he was back than as a rookie and second year player and occasional starter. If Ike got three assists in nine minutes, it would be a total departure from the way he's played in the previous 13 games. Of course, it would change my opinion of him because it would be a total change in the way plays. If he starts to play like a team player it will definitely raise my opinion of his play. But, it would not change my opinion of Frye. Why would it? BNM
Did you see him pass last night? He had two near-assists where guys missed jumpers. I hadn't been watching to see if he'd passed earlier in the year, but since you seem to be actually claiming that he literally doesn't pass, I wanted to make sure you were paying attention. He also (predictably) raised his field goal percentage, got an offensive rebound and got to the free throw line. All in six minutes. Ed O.
No, unfortunately I didn't. I wasn't able to watch the first three quarters of the game last night, but from the box score it looks like Ike was productive in his 6 minutes - and that's a good thing. My comments were based on what I'd seen in the previous 13 games. Admittedly, most of those minutes were garbage time late in the 4th quarter of blow outs. So, with the game not on the line, and playing with rest of the end-of-the-bench gang, maybe Ike was more inclined to try to pad his own stats by forcing up a shot everytime he touched the ball. It is, after all, a contract year for him. Perhaps, with a regular role in the rotation. he will play more in the flow of the offense and not be so inclined to force up bad shots and actually pass to the open temmate when he's doubled. Based on his production, and your comments, it's encouraging. I'll want to see more of the same before I'll consider Ike a changed player (from his previous 13 appearances), but as I said earlier, if he changes the way he plays, it will change my opinion of him as a player. BNM
