Yeah your right. He NEVER makes any mistakes does he? What the fuck was I thinking? He is better then LeBron. Fuck me in the ass for thinking Outlaw ever made a mistake. Because he never has, and you just proved everyone wrong.
Sure is, but so is the majority of the posts about all of our players. Show me consistency with Outlaw...in his decision making on the court, specially for being a 6th year man. I don't think you can. His game is always so Up and down. That's the main gripe...
Outside of Roy, that can be said about every player on the roster. Odd that you and others consistently pound a bench player for being like every other player on the team outside of the All-Star. The "main gripe", if that what it is, seems way out of scale with the number of negative threads here relative to other players on the roster.
LMAO Derrrrrr Thank you for also proving my point about the subjectivity of "basketball IQ". Outlaw is consistently in at the end of wins decided by 5 points or less. To me, this means he has a high basketball IQ. He helps his team win close games.
I could probably say that about every other player on the roster, but the majority of players don't have the years that Outlaw does. For his length of being in the NBA, he shouldn't be still displaying the same stuff he has been since coming onto the team. I'm not saying hes a bad player, I'm more along the lines of, "id rather have martell in there". Much better on defense and I feel is more comfortable in the fourth quarter.
Wow so you base basketball IQ on if a player is in the game at the end of the 4th quarter? I cannot let myself read your posts anymore. Your making my IQ go down by reading your inane drivel. Join Mixim on my block list.
Exactly. Not a bad player, but not one that you want to rely on for consistent scoring and defense in the 4th quarter of a tight game. I do hope that he goes to the rim more often like he did last night. If he can mix in more inside putbacks and dunks, then slack shall be cut for his defensive lapses.
When did Martell become so comfortable in the 4th quarter? Travis was on the floor in the 4th last year and Martell was usually on the bench.
-From another thread - liking a team and player and being open to their retarded play are not mutually exclusive, no matter how cute the smiley running around in a circle is. Is there an "ostrich's head in the sand" smiley? Tell me, STOMP and PapaG...since I'm obviously not as smart as NBA players on your favorite team, or coaches who play them, or GMs who sign them to short-term, relatively-bargain contracts with team options...how even I know that when you're up in the fourth quarter, you don't take contested 3-pointers early in the shot clock, but a 6th-year player doesn't? Perhaps the smart coaches or GMs talked to Travis about this after the Orlando game we blew, in which case he either forgot or blew them off, or the smart coaches didn't say anything to him, which goes along with the rest of your "we're doing GREAT! We're a young team who's winning (except when we lose)!" mindsets. One thing I will say the "smart coaches" did right...after Travis single-handedly gave up a steal and layup to Pierce to bring the game to within one by pretending to be a PG (Though he didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express this morning), the smart coaches decided to have him take the ball out so he wouldn't have to be stuck in that position again. I'm sure you want the team to do well, as do just about all of us in here. What is it that makes you unable to see (or able to ignore) poor play in 6th-year vets, and then come in with "Unless you say Travis is awesome (and I TOLD YOU SO), you're an overreacting Chicken Little?" Especially in the fourth quarter?! I mean, it's one thing to overlook a pass sailing through his hands out of bounds in the first half...things like that happen. Travels from time to time happen. Bonehead plays shouldn't happen. And just to show it's not just Travis...anyone want to show me a stat or anecdote or subjective analysis or ANYTHING that shows Blake can run an effective 2-on-1 or 3-on-2 situation? Our rookie "not-really-a-PG" showed he can. He did great keeping us in the game by shooting the lights out in the first half. PapaG, I'm just curious now (and not sarcastic anymore), do you just read the box scores to see if there was a good game, or do you look play-to-play and ignore the bad ones if there are some good ones?
I'll gladly go on your block list. I understand how contrary viewpoints can be scary to deal with, causing fragile people to lash out, so I don't blame you for putting me on ignore when I don't validate your overly-negative opinion of Travis Outlaw.
dude, mix in some periods. Rather then taking the 45 questions you strung together individually, I'd point out that for the most part your post is a stream of strawman consciousness. I've sited Travis's positives and negatives in this thread and umpteen times before and yet you post this absolute nonsense about me ignoring the bad that comes with the good with Travis. I disagree with your opinion that the Blazers should trade Greg for Kwame and I won't sign your petition to change the team colors to purple and pink. Unlike you I'm not for putting Shonz in a home, throwing away the key, and sliding bread and water under the door. I also hope you're dead wrong about the club being moved to WA as soon as Paul Allen can wriggle out of the RG's lease. STOMP
I asked a lot of questions. Sorry. Sounds kind of like an easy way to say "can't answer them, so I'll ignore them by calling them a strawman". I'll make it easier, though. 1) How come I know not to shoot a contested 3pt shot with 20 seconds on the shot clock up by a small margin in the 4th quarter, but Travis doesn't? 2) How come he's done it twice in 2 weeks, against good teams? 3) How come good coaches much smarter than me haven't been able to teach him this in 6 years? 4) How come posters like PapaG (and it seemed you agree) think people like me who post observations of bad plays by our veterans (that in the past have cost us games) are Chicken Little posters? 5) Can anyone tell me why they think our 6th-year PG can run a 2-on-1 or 3-on-2 transition play? Because I can't remember seeing one in the recent past. It's like Jarrett Jack left his FastBreak skills in Steve's locker when he left. Sorry if that's what you took from that. My addition of your name into the post is b/c you agreed with PapaG about posters being if they had negative observations about Travis. I fully admit that you are generally open to both sides. But I wouldn't call the post "absolute nonsense" because of that. I don't know what the quote below is about, but it's kind of a funny way of posting an example of "absolute nonsense". However, if you're equating the quote below to my post above, then color me .
We would not have won last night's game without Travis' hustle plays. He's a high-risk, high-reward player. He'll make some obviously dumb mistakes but he had some key buckets down the stretch. For the money we're paying him right now, you're not going to get a better player than Travis.
Except Przybilla. Who (in addition to Blake and Outlaw) is the only player on this team with more than 5 years of league experience. Hence, "veterans". I personally add Roy to the list of "veteran" as well b/c he's an All-Star, though I respect if someone doesn't. But of our "veteran core" of Blake, Outlaw, Przy and Roy; in order of consistency and lack of bonehead plays (a.k.a. "Rookie Mistakes", "WTF?!?! Moves", "I want to punch my TV! Moves", etc.) it's Przy, Roy, Blake farther behind and Travis barely on the scope. There would be less negative threads about Travis if he made less of these type of plays. At least, IMHO that's the case. When Blake messes up, he gets threads about it. Frye's had many threads posted about his poor play. Why is it that Travis is exempt? B/c he actually has an abiliy to play like he did last night when he was making great plays? That seems to be even more of a strike against him, b/c all he has to do is keep his head in the game and be aggressive, which seems impossible for him to do consistently.
sounds like you're still projecting what you want to hear. Why you'd think anyone would want to go through a long sarcastic list denying things they didn't say is puzzling. Of course you don't really know what the coaches are telling him do you? Are they saying that he should shoot it when he feels it (especially when Brandon is out) or are they saying to milk the clock? His ability to rise up makes contested shots uncontested. It seems to me if he is consistently going against his coaches wishes as you are saying, the coach would bench him. Several times last night in the 4th he shot with a lot of time left on the clock... he missed a few of them but he also made a few more. I'm guessing he had the green light from Nate to shoot when he felt it and I happened to like the results. btw... you know when you were blaming him for trying to dribble it up vs Pierce? Why were both Blazer guards over half court and not back supporting him? I wouldn't want any of the Blazers forwards trying to dribble it up vs. PP. Smart coaches know that bringing the ball up should be done by good ballhandlers which Travis is not, but Travis is smart enough to know the ball has to cross halfcourt in time. Even the bright bulb Blazer announcers commented on this. STOMP
Outlaw had a pretty good game last night, but man he seems to make more boneheaded plays than the rest of the team combined. My answer, though? Yes, he's definitely worth it. Ed O.
TO is "worth it" since we don't really have a viable alternative currently. Our offense is still fairly anemic outside Roy and LMA these days, so we have to take our points wherever we can get them. Personally, I'd like to see a team that doesn't need Blake going bananas from the 3-point line and Outlaw forcing jumpshots for us to have a chance to win.
