Francis for Mcgrady is as lopsided of trade you will get. Mobley and Cato aren't that great either. Trading 2 average players and a selfish player for a REAL superstar was huge for houston though they now are weak in 3 positions (PG, SG, and PF)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Feb 25 2006, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes by trading him for a guy with a bad back and a max contract. Smart move.</div>Trading a stupid PG with a max contract for a superstar with a max contract- VERY smart move.Even Juwan was decent, we traded Lue for another decent player in Jon Barry, and traded Gaines for Mike James who was traded for another damn solid player in Rafer Alston.On the other hand- Francis was traded for Ariza, Cato was traded along with a first for Darko, and Mobley was traded for Christie who was cut.They basically traded McGrady, Howard, Alston, Barry, and a first for Ariza, and Darko?!So I guess it was a smart move on the Rockets part.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Trading a stupid PG with a max contract for a superstar with a max contract- VERY smart move.</div>Remains to be seen, when he gets out of the first round, then ok. Not a smart move if he gets you no where. And his bad back leads to a early retirement.
Ugh. Kobe hasn't gone anywhere without Shaq, has a contract out the whazoo, and even with his great season there is a good chance Lakers will not make playoffs for second straight year.Rockets made a great trade. T-mac got Houston into 5th seed last year na d7 game series vs a great Dallas team, and this year, he will probably be in p;ayoffs. Francis was nothing but trouble for orlando and is now traded. As for Knicks....good luck.
Mcgrady might retire early but it that was a risk willing to take if all you have to do is trade Francis for. The rockets would've had a good chance this year if they didn't make some bad choices in free agents and trades. Also Mcgrady not being made this year a tough year. The rockets need a real power forward first. Juwan Howard is a softy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Feb 26 2006, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Remains to be seen, when he gets out of the first round, then ok. Not a smart move if he gets you no where. And his bad back leads to a early retirement.</div>Where the hell was Francis taking us?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Where the hell was Francis taking us?</div>No where, and you traded him for someone that has taken you no where. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The rockets would've had a good chance this year if they didn't make some bad choices in free agents and trades.</div>That fans and critics raved about all offseason.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Feb 24 2006, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Trevor Ariza is nothing more than a high flying athlete. He can't shoot, play defense, he just runs around and looks like he gives a great effort when in reality he isn't good.</div>Yea, because you could so tell that in the what, 18 Minutes he averaged in New York? Thats like playing a quarter and a half every game, and hes only started 22 games in his 2 year career. Give him some freaking time, man. Everybody expects players to come right out of college and be all stars*.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Feb 26 2006, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No where, and you traded him for someone that has taken you no where.</div>I still don't see how anybody with a brain can think this deal isn't great for the Rockets.It was obvious that Franics isn't the type of player who would help your team win games, so he had to go. We get a SUPERSTAR-CALIBUR player (reason he never got out of the first round on the Magic- was becuase he never had half-decent teammates there. Last year- he had one good teammate, and we took a damn good team (everyone not named Yao in the Mavericks (despite getting ROBBED in game five) to the edge).Who cares about his injury-risk, it's not like we lost alot. The potential gain (a healthy TMac) is far greater than the loss (frickin Francis).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I still don't see how anybody with a brain can think this deal isn't great for the Rockets.</div>I didn't say it wasn't great, I'm just saying will the Rockets question if it was the right move down the line. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>We get a SUPERSTAR-CALIBUR player (reason he never got out of the first round on the Magic- was becuase he never had half-decent teammates there. Last year- he had one good teammate, and we took a damn good team (everyone not named Yao in the Mavericks (despite getting ROBBED in game five) to the edge).</div>Both series, both his teams took a edge, 3-1 on Pistons, 2-0 on Mavs. And blew both series.
These trades have not made either team any better and in Orlando's case, they are much worse than three years ago. Francis is like TO of the NBA, except not as talented, he goes everywhere and everyone who knows the Orlando Magic wanted him gone. In Houston, McGrady has done good things, but he has not made his teammates better, he still doesnt play the great defense he can (if we need reminder, go back to playoffs where he guarded Dirk and won games 1-2 for Houston). By the way, for the players that Tracy McGrady was traded for, none except Trevor Ariza, darko, Carlos Arroyo are still on the Magic. Wouldnt do that trade.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Feb 27 2006, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'></div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't say it wasn't great, I'm just saying will the Rockets question if it was the right move down the line.</div> Are you serious? Don't worry- we aren't going to regret the fact that we could've traded Francis for Trevor Ariza.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Both series, both his teams took a edge, 3-1 on Pistons, 2-0 on Mavs. And blew both series.</div>So..? None of those teams had no business being in those series- the fact that they had leads is amazing to me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So..? None of those teams had no business being in those series- the fact that they had leads is amazing to me.</div>They choked. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Are you serious? Don't worry- we aren't going to regret the fact that we could've traded Francis for Trevor Ariza.</div>I think at the time Francis had a higher trade value then he does now. But trading for Tmac is nice, but your still in the same spot.
Not even close to the same spot.With TMac- at least I have reason to be excited about our chances. WHEN TMac is healthy- he is one of the top 5 players in the game- just because he hasn't gotten past the first round (look at his teammates, and look at the teams he was playing)- doesn't make him a choker.It took KG years to get past the first round. Is KG a choker?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ilovebball @ Mar 1 2006, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not even close to the same spot.With TMac- at least I have reason to be excited about our chances. WHEN TMac is healthy- he is one of the top 5 players in the game- just because he hasn't gotten past the first round (look at his teammates, and look at the teams he was playing)- doesn't make him a choker.It took KG years to get past the first round. Is KG a choker?</div>KG had a good ''team'' one season and led them to WCF. Tmac has had a decent team for a long time, and a great team for 2 years now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It took KG years to get past the first round. Is KG a choker?</div>Yes, KG doesn't like to take the last shots, in fact he disappears in 4th quarters. It's no secret, the year he went to the WCF, Spree and Cassell were taking the last quarter shots. And yes your in the same spot, despite what you think. You haven't made it out of the first round yet after the Francis deal. When you do, then you can say your not. Otherwise, your still 1st round or out of playoffs, right now out of playoffs.And don't use Tmac's injury, you knew he had a back problem when you got him, that's the risk in the trade.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Mar 1 2006, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>KG had a good ''team'' one season and led them to WCF. Tmac has had a decent team for a long time, and a great team for 2 years now.</div>Decent? His second best player was fricking Juwan HowardGood? Besides Yao/TMac- who else do we really have? Juwan Howard again?His teams have SUCKED <Censored>- he has the ability to make them look decent or good.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Mar 1 2006, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, KG doesn't like to take the last shots, in fact he disappears in 4th quarters. It's no secret, the year he went to the WCF, Spree and Cassell were taking the last quarter shots. And yes your in the same spot, despite what you think. You haven't made it out of the first round yet after the Francis deal. When you do, then you can say your not. Otherwise, your still 1st round or out of playoffs, right now out of playoffs.And don't use Tmac's injury, you knew he had a back problem when you got him, that's the risk in the trade.</div>It's true- we haven't made it out of the first round- BUT IT HAS BEEN ONE POSTSEASON SINCE WE HAVE ACQUIRED HIM. Despite a weak supporting cast to TMac/Yao- we were a higher seed (than we were in the pre-TMac era) AND had a better shot at getting past the first round (against a much much better team).It's true- we knew about his back- but it's a risk we are willing to take. Francis is basketball-retarded- that is much worse than any back injury (to a great player) can possibly be.As far as KG goes- I've seen him dominate many many games. I agree, it was the fact that KG had a shitty supporting cast before he got Spree/Cassell- and that is basically what I have been saying about TMac (everyone not named Yao on our team- probably wouldn't make the rotation for a team like the Mavs, Spurs, or Pistons).
