This is so frickin' sad!!!

One rumor floating around that might turn out to hold water is that the Timberwolves might be making Mike Miller available as soon as this years trade deadline. If this happens and we deal him for youth and/or picks.....how sad is it to think that we traded Mayo for Love (what it all boils down to)!?!? Sure I know Mayo would've only been around for the duration of his rookie contract and then move onto greener (more endorsment laden) pastures. But just that fact that we could've had a consistent scoring threat for those 3-4 years and maybe could've shifted or abundant amount of picks to trade for pieces to put around Big Al, Mayo & Foye....the possibilites. At least McFail isn't in the position to influence trades the way he did before...and maybe after this year he will get the long overdue "pink-slip" he so much deserves.

I'm still a fan of Love and I still see him as a solid contributor for his career, but there is no denying that he is another player sharing minutes at the same position as thier star and cornerstone, Big Al. Nor can it be denied how much more marketable and exciting Mayo is. Where as Love will be a good player that won't hurt you, Mayo has the ability to be much more!

I'm still sticking by my team through this terrible low....but damn it can be painful!!!

 

Where did you hear this?

I'm with you man, it gets so frustrating watching this team night in and night out. We play Mayo and company tomorrow. It will truly be interesting.

 

Here's the link...http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_teams/minnesota/2008/12/

 

Wow....how bad is it when your home crowd is cheering to see a rookie play on the other team?!? That has got to sting the Wolves front office to know they messed up .....yet again!!!

"......The win helped take the focus off the draft-day deal that saw McHale send Mayo's rights to the Grizzlies for Love, Mike Miller and others.

So far the deal has heavily favored the Grizzlies, as Mayo entered the game averaging more than 20 points and Love 7.5. But Love held his own on Monday and contributed down the stretch, with his 17 points the first time he was in double figures since Dec. 10 against Denver.

Reporters posed several questions to Mayo and Love about their first NBA meeting and the fallout from their draft-day swap, but both played it down.

"Get it out the way,'' Love said. "It's overrated but it's going to be there. I heard some of the screams tonight - 'We want Mayo, we want the juice' - but it is what it is.''

link: http://www.nba.com/games/20081229/MEMMIN/recap.html

I hope we can at least swing a deal with Miller to bring in Wallace or Butler...then this might not hurt SO bad....but to think that this deal is just covering up another crushing deal is very painful....trading Mario Chalmers for two 2nd round picks....when we already had three 1st rounders in 2009's draft at the time?!? By the way....how is Chalmers doing anyway? oh....yeah.....OUCH!!!

 

The cheers didn't seem to bother the kid. He played great and got us to OT pretty much singelhandedly. If anything, he outplayed Mayo IMO.

But yeah man, if Bulter comes our way, that would be great. Even before the trade, I thought Butler>Miller.

 

The Wolves have 2006 Celtics syndrome. Lots of promise, no results.


They need to find a way to cop an all-star and a couple of good vets to put around Jefferson. Bump the future up toward the present a little. Jefferson's the kind of player that can take you the 2nd round or beyond if he had a little fucking help.

 

I completly see where your coming from. I mean in all honesty it really doesn't help Minnesota all that much to have immense capspace...cuz who out of the top talents will come and sign here? With the front office's inability to build a team around KG...it doesn't bod well to luring free-agents.

'Sota needs to turn the expiring contracts and draft picks into ready-to-help-now talent. As of right now...the only way to build a winner in Minnesota is through trades. I'm not saying we need to fire sale our youth...but we need to get someone in the front office who doesn't have any previous attachment to current players and has no problem trading off players who McHale wants to hold on to simple because he vouched for them...and holds them in high regard. We need to deal Miller, McCants, contracts and picks and bring in a top flight scorer in the mold of Caron Butler to pair up with Big Al (as you stated) and a good PG who can distribute (Hinrich might not be too bad here)...and use our remaining picks to adjust to pull in Thabeet to shore up our center spot

Next years line-up can look something like this

PG: Hinrich
SG: Foye
SF: Butler
PF: Jefferson
C: Thabeet

6th: Love
with Miami's pick: (PG) Stephen Curry, Ty Lawson, Darren Collison or any other mid-1st round PG talent

 

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4895898

Howard's a proven scorer and defender. The Mavs are on a downswing, and given Howard's issues over the summer, I think they would let him go for this kind of package. Collins' contract gives them cap space, Brewer could be a similar player to Howard down the road.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4895878

Wolves get Gordon, a proven sniper from three, and Nocioni to bolster the bench. Chicago gets Love, McCants, Carney, Cardinal (Love and Cardinal being the key pieces; Love gives the team a low post scoring prospect, Cardinal's contract for Nocioni's helps the Bulls clear cap room for 2010).

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4895902

There aren't very many PGs out there really. This is the best I could come up with, though I doubt Philly does it; Andre Miller has an expiring deal, Mike Miller still has another year after this.

 

The funny thing about Howard is we passed on him to get Ebi....ouch! lol But with Love here...I'm not sure it would benefit us to get Howard.

I'm not a big fan of Gordon since he's pretty much a shooter in the mold of Miller, just shorter and can't rebound and pass as good. Because of his height he would strictly play the SG where at least Miller can swing over and play SF. But I can't deny the fact that he could flourish under the fact that he will get the amount of shots he'd want...and he can score!!!

Maybe a package deal of some sort send McCants and Miller to Charlotte for Felton and Wallace?

maybe this: Miller, McCants, Booth (exp contract) & Boston's 1st round pick
for
Wallace & Felton

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4895920

 

I think the team needs a veteran PG though... Andre Miller made the 06-07 Sixers respectable, when they should have had a top 3 draft pick, and was probably the reason they made the playoffs last year. Felton, IMO, isn't good for the Wolves because he's too much of what they already have. He's a young PG coming from a losing culture in Charlotte.

 

yeah, I see what your talking about. I'm looking at it from a stand point of Minnesota letting Foye run point and putting Felton at SG until whatever PG minnesota drafts with Miami's pick (mid-1st round) is ready. And with the trade I proposed...with Miller and McCants leaving, Felton won't be stepping into a logjam at SG for shots

But then again, that's why I actually preffered that Minnesota go for Hinrich...since his asking price is probably at an alltime low.

 

I always thought the best move for Minnesota would be to trade up to Miami’s pick since they wanted Beasley and Miami wanted Mayo. There were also rumors that something was brewing between the teams. I still don’t know why this never came to fruition though since it was in both teams’ interests.

Nonetheless, I thought this was a good move for Minnesota around draft time and I don’t think management can be criticized too much for it. They unloaded some bad contracts and are in a good position for free agency in 2010. I doubt they can land any of the coveted FA’s, but they will be one of the league’s most financially flexible teams and that is important when constructing a team.

Let’s also remember that prior to last season, Miller was averaging roughly 16/7/3 and shooting 50% from the field and 43% from downtown. And the season before that he averaged 18 points. With his skills set - fantastic shooter, ball handling, passing, versatility, and overall high IQ - Miller was and still is an ideal fit for this team. He also is one of the few veterans on the team as well. While no one expected Miller’s presence to lift this team into playoff contention, everyone expected a considerable improvement.

Plus, Mayo wouldn’t really be adding anything new to the team either. The Wolves already had tweener/undersized guards in Randy Foye and Rashad McCants who were looking promising. Granted, Mayo is better than both, but he still would not have added any new dimension to the Wolves and they likely would have been just as bad. Love, on the other hand, looked like an excellent compliment to the Wolves with his ability to step outside and create space for Jefferson to operate in the low post. Love also can create penetration opportunities (no homo) for Foye and Telfair since he can keep an opposing big man out the paint. He also is a phenomenal passer and has a great IQ for someone his age, not to mention he’s a monster on the boards, averaging nearly 8 boards in 23 minutes of play. I don’t catch too many wolves games, so I don’t know why he’s shooting so poorly, but he’s an intelligent, hardworking player and only 20 years old, so he can easily improve.

You also have to consider OJ Mayo’s background. He’s been a well-publicized star since the 7th grade and went to USC to market himself for the NBA. Is he really willing to finish his entire career in Minnesota? It seems like he would be more attracted to a bigger market. Around draft time there were even questions on whether he would be willing to play for a small market team. But to his credit, he has been playing in Memphis and has remained very professional, but I get the feeling he won’t stick around once his contract expires. Management probably wanted to draft someone they thought they could keep.

 

Can we just get Mayo back instead?


And on a side note...JE....HAHAHAHAHA

 

t wolves had a chance at Roy and Mayo..............wow...........

 

I know, right? More that a chance...we actually already drafted them...and traded them the same night! And yes.....it is as painful as it sounds....lol.......I laugh to keep from crying

 

I cry

 

lol....it ok man...due to the reason....anyone would cry...no judgement shall be passed...lol

 

Lets be real, if we kept Roy, there is NO way we would have been a bottom team and in position to draft Mayo. Well, its much, much less likely anyway. Lets concentrate on what we have fellas!!

 

You can't say that there is no way we would have been out of position to draft Mayo....we still would have had a worse record that Chicago...and they had like the 8-9 best chance to get the 1st overall. We were a mess last year and the (maybe) 3-5 game win difference would have still had us near the bottom...We still had a chance of a top 3 pick.

But I am happy to talk about what we have now...and how we can continue to get better. But these forums are for all topics in regards to your respected teams.

Seeing how the constant missteps are a reality with our club...it's something that keeps getting brought up and will continue to. Sure other teams mess up in the draft...but it's the way Minnesota seems to have a track record of bust picks and draft day trades is why it hurts so much.

But for the record I've always believed that the Mayo for Love/Miller trade was the best thing for our future. Love has proven to be a beast on the glass, something the team sorely needed to help Big Al with. Miller, although not working out how we hoped, can still bring us great value in trade. And lets face it, as nice as it would be to have Mayo...he would only be a 3-4 year player....since I don't think there would be any doubt that he will be a Big-Market Bolter the first chance he gets. At least with Love....we might have a player who will stick around.

 

Thats why i went and said "much less likely to happen". I realize anything is possible and there are arguments that we would have been forcing Roy to be something he is not, like Witt forcing Foye to be Jason Kidd earlier this year. That disgusted me. I know this franchise has that feel that everything we touch withers and dies and everything we dont turns to gold. And Mayo averaging 20PPG as a rook damn sure doesnt help. Hell i wanted Mayo so bad i started a petition and sent it all over the place trying to get signatures and national recognition. Lol.

But McHale has actually done a pretty good job the last 18 months or so, i wont go into specifics but he does have this team on the right track.