A player revisited.

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  1. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    All I can say is watch more non-Blazer basketball and post less. Comparing Martell's game to Childress is something like saying that Rudy and Travis have the same game because their statistical output is similar ... and in this case the comparison between Childress and Martell is even less appropriate because Chill is so superior in almost every regard.
     
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    gatorpops Allen Crabb hits winning shot on Nov24 vs Blazers

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    If he can drive and get to the line, we need him badly. Outlaw and Martel were/are not good at that at all. Helps the whole team and especially Roy.

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    Dude is set loose on the Euro leagues and is averaging a VERY ordinary stats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Childress). I think Martell Webster could step up and do the same damage offensively. Neither player is close to the level of talent that would really bring this team to the next level IMHO. You have to look at a guy like Gerald Wallace to get that done.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Euroleague stats are more relevant to NBA analysis than NBA stats? I don't particularly care what he's doing in the Euroleague. Intuitively, one might expect him to dominate, but the style of game is different and Childress' style is not really lead-scorer. His NBA numbers are great for a complementary player.

    I don't know whether he would "take the team to the next level." What he'd do is solidify a position of considerable weakness with very good all-around production, give the team a very good perimeter defender and not need the ball in his hands to contribute, which is very useful on a team where scoring roles are at a premium between Roy, Aldridge, Fernandez, Outlaw and, in future, Oden and Bayless.

    I'd love to get Gerald Wallace. I'd prefer him to Josh Childress. But if Pritchard can't get him, I'd much rather have Childress starting than Webster or Outlaw. By a lot.
     
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    craigehlo Elite Wing

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    I agree with that. But I can't shake how unimpressive Childress was with the Hawks last season. His defense and intangibles were a bit overrated. Even with Josh Smith hurt they are on a better pace than the previous season (last I checked through 20 games).
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Last season was Childress' best of his career by PER. His rebounding and assist rates fell slightly, but his scoring efficiency jumped to rather absurd rates. A .571 FG% / .647 TS% is simply unheard-of for a wing player. And he did it while scoring 14 PPG, so it's not like he just takes one or two shots a game. And he's always been an extremely efficient scorer. Last season was his best, but not some fluke that was out of step with the rest of his career.

    Intangibles are usually overrated, which is why I didn't make it a central aspect to my argument for him. Overall, though, it's nice to have a player who makes good decisions. You don't worry that he'll make a key mistake late in the game.

    As for his defense, I don't think it's overrated. He's rarely called a top defender or a "stopper." But he's a very good defensive player, in my opinion. He won't shut down excellent offensive wings, but he'll make them work and prevent them from going for huge scoring performances with minimal help.
     
  7. BalancedMan

    BalancedMan That's out of context....

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    Doesn't Atlanta still hold the RFA for Childress? So that ATL can match if (when) he comes back to the league. Or do the rights get renounced.
     
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    The afro is a plus for me.
     
  9. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    They still have his rights and could match, but he had a fairly acrimonious split with the team last year. The Blazers could do a sign and trade, or Childress always holds the option to go right back to Europe if ATL tried to block him from signing with another team. My guess is the Hawks would want something for him if possible, but won't go to extreme lengths to hold on to his rights.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Also, from what I've read, Childress counts as a cap-hold for as long as they retain his RFA rights. So they may renounce him or trade him for very little to get rid of that unproductive cap-hold.
     
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    JFizzleRaider Yeast Lords Global Moderator

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    The question is, what would Atlanta want for his rights? Koponen? Freeland? 2nd round picks? Sergio? Frye?
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Where do I sign?
     
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    JFizzleRaider Yeast Lords Global Moderator

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    haha well I'm just using them as examples. What if they wanted Outlaw or Bayless? It's hard to say what they would want. There most pressing need seems to be bigs.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Yes to Outlaw, no to Bayless.

    Frankly it's kind of hard to say what ATL would do, but considering that they are going to be about 10-11 million under the cap, but will probably be desperate to retain Mike Bibby if at all possible, I don't think they need bigs or small forwards; Horford, Smith and Marvin Williams all seem to be working out OK, my guess is that they could be intrigued by an offer of Koponen or Sergio, especially if Bibby bolts for greener pastures.
     
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    Sergio DOES usually play good against Atlanta too. Steve Smith always freaks out when Sergio is in town. :clap:
     
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    damn it i dont care i just either want to know a trade or know no trade is happening.... im sick of this pussy footin around bullshit..... although id really want a trade that gets rid of either frye, ike, outlaw or randolph. frye disgusts me on the court even though i like his personality, ike can grab rebounds and get to the line but he either needs more burn or gtfo so we can see what he can do, outlaw can be scary good or scary bad and id rather not have a streaky bench, and randolph god i really dont know how he warms a bench, seriously dont.
     
  17. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Get lost on the way to another thread?
     
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    possibly >_>
     
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    cdub503 Well-Known Member

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    theres so many damn trade threads i just close my eyes and click.......
     
  20. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Not really trade thread, more of a personal wishlist for a FA this summer.
     

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