With Philly having the worst 3 point shooting in the NBA (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/chris_mannix/01/07/sixers/index.html?eref=T1) now might be a time to offer up Mike Miller for Andre Miller. This trade benefits and improves both teams. Philly gets: The 3 point threat they desperatly need. And with Louis Williams waiting in the wings to play PG, it won't hurt them as much. As an added bonus, Mike's contract ends after next year, so they will have cap space for 2010. Minnesota gets: A distributing veteran PG who can control the tempo and has proven that he can play with a young bunch and make them better. And with his contract ending this year the Wolves will have the cap space and can offer him a new deal if he works out and isn't asking too much. from what I can see, it looks like a deal that would work out for both teams...and within the realm of possibility.
but neither is Mike Miller....and Andre's contract is up after this year. Andre is a player in a position we need. Makes alot of sense to me
I think Mike could be, or at least he has a better chance to than Andre would. We both know he can shoot, despite his troubles this year. Do remember, before his injury, he was shooting in the way high 40's in FG%. It's tough to shoot on a crappy ankle. No great shooter like Mike Miller can stay in a permanent slump like the one he is in right now. But back to my original point. Knowing (or at least for me, perhaps not everyone) that he will get his shooting going eventually, and seeing how much fun he has with the guys, and also knowing he cares more about winning than anything, wouldn't it make sense to try to bring him back as a 3 point specialist when he loses some athleticism? Andre Miller doesn't have anything to fall back on once he starts to REALLY slow down, while Mike will always have that 3-point shot. The only type of player I would go for would be another 2-3, preferably a guy who's a tad younger and could be a part of our future, such as Butler (which would be sick) or Wallace.
I would love to have Butler or Wallace, but you can't say you are comfortable with our PG situation? Foye is way better suited as our 2. We need a Butler/Wallace and a PG. Maybe Hinrich? he has a similar contract and even though it goes on for 3 additional years, his actually decreases per year
I dont think either Miller (Mike or Andre) fit with our team. Moving Foye to the 2 was fantastic and I think using Miller as bait for a team to take on Cardinal to free up capspace for this upcoming offseason would be the best route. Something along the lines of Miller + Cardinal to CLE for Wally World + Scrub + 1st works for both teams. Wally is an expiring and might actually be welcomed in Minny since KG isnt around to punch him up anymore. That gives us tons of capspace for the 09 FA and would make us the #1 player in the FA class. If we could offer somone like, say, Marvin Williams around 5yr/50M, i highly doubt ATL would match as he is a RFA. He is young (22 i think), fills a position of need, defends, rebounds, scores, shoots, slashes and can flourish as a #2 or #3 option. Draft Jrue Holiday if he is around with our pick or Thabeet if he isnt. Or take BPA if both are gone. Nab a big with the MIA pick if we went small with our's or vice versa and in 09-10 we are looking like Holiday/Bassy Foye/Brewer/Evan Turner maybe?? Williams/Gomes/Brewer Craigers/Gomes/Love Jefferson/Love or Darren Collison??/Bassy Foye/Brew Williams/Gomes Jefferson/Love/Craigers Thabeet/Jefferson Looks like a young solid core to me..this is all purely hypothetical though lol
I like Marvin and think he's going to start coming around...but I've always been leery about the free-agent market in regards to 'Sota....the only way to get a player to sign with the Wolves is to grossly overpay what other teams offer....and all that does is put us in bad a financial bind. I still stand by the use of Miller to bring in a talent and just holding on to Cardinal contract until the fee-agent class of 2010....with all the big stars out there sucking up the cap space of noteable teams...I think alot of bargans can be had then.
I see what you're saying. But i think the days of players not wanting to be here and grossly overpaying average-marginal talent are almost over. We have a good young core, Mac is no longer the head honcho in the FO and with plenty of money to play with if the right deals are made i think we can make something happen in 2010, IF we make a smaller set up move in 09. Take the situation i posted. MW is a RFA which means although he can voice his opinion, he doesnt ultimately get to choose where he wants to go bar a hold out, which is unlikely anyway. ATL is KNOWN to have a very very tight pocketed FO. They waited till Memphis low balled Josh Smith last year to re-sign him and let Childress walk when a deal couldnt be found. There are in a tough situation. Bibby, who practically made that team relevant again and Marvin both could leave this offseason. And Joe Johnson also is a FA come 2010. They cant bring both Marvin and Bibby back and expect to have enough money to keep JJ. So what I think we should do is call their bluff. Sure Williams is young and oozing with potential, but are they willing to keep him over a Vet PG that helped bring their team back to the prominence? My guess is they would keep the PG that fits them perfectly over the player with potential who's position is probably the easiest to fill in the NBA. Throw 5yr/50M at him. 8M base with 1M increases every year (8M, 9, 10, 11, 12). That is barely overpaying if you can call it that. He will be 28 by the time his contract is up, the same age Miller is now i believe. I hope that Cardinal can bring us something in 2010 but i wouldnt want to put my eggs in one basket like that, if someone offered to take him with Miller, i wouldnt hesitate to pull the trigger.
All that sounds great...no joke. I'm feelin getting MW in a Wolves jersey...he would f in nice with our young squad...and he will have a fresh start not having to live up to being selected over Paul and D.Will by ATL...when they needed a PG...ouch. Maybe we can swing Miller and Cards for a PG or young Center?
Im not sure we have enough cap space to offer Marvin that contract. We may have to swing a Miller and/or Cardinal deal or move one or more of Gomes/Bassy/Smith. But yea i think if we had a 2010 expiring left over we can use that to try and get a young Center or PG prospect, maybe a pick, or hell even an all star caliber player that a team wants to unload.
we actually wouldn have to do all that...between Collins & Booth contract...that's almost 8 mil there...and if we let McCants walk that's about 10 mil combined there.
http://sportstwo.com/NBASalaries.php?#jump_MIN Minny has about $7.8M cap space after the season, but has a cap hold of about $400K.
Yea, we would be trying to scrape enough money together to make something happen. Thats why i think we need to make a deal before the deadline.
Agreed Shogun.......only a month left...I'm still hoping we can swing something for Gerald Wallace, Caron Butler or Kirk Hinrich
I wouldn't deal for a point guard because the upcoming draft class is loaded at the point guard position. The TWolves should be able to find their future point guard in June.
We shouldnt put all our eggs in one basket though. If we can find a veteran PG for cheap or a young vet by trade we need to consider that option. We need to get as many of the great young players as we can, if we wait till the draft, take a PG and he ends up a bust we are screwed. Jrue Holiday and Rubio are the only 2 PG's i like for this team and are the 2 that i think are the closest thing to guaranteeing a PG of the future. Rubio might not even declare this year and we may end up selecting too low to get either of them.
I can see a "2001 Eddie Griffin scenerio" where we trade various picks to move up high enough to draft one of them. But if those prime PG prospects are gone...I can also see us trading away some picks on draft night for an established starting PG and getting someone like Greg Monroe who can swing over and play center.
Poor Eddie Griffin. Its so sad, he would have been the perfect compliment to Jefferson if he could have gotten his life together.
