You'll often hear about how amazing a leader Magic was, but people often forget many things, such as the arguements between him and James Worthy, his attempt to get him traded, and how he got rid of his coach after an arguement, and his playoff collapses without Kareem to back him up late in his career. It should be obvious, Kareem was the leader of this team, and without him it went no where, even him being in his 40s at that time, and maybe not being the best player on the team. How many rings did Magic win without Kareem? How many times did his team even challenge for a title without Kareem?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Feb 26 2006, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How can this even be debated?Magic led a very medicore Laker team to the 1991 NBA finals.</div>I think your confused, A mediocre Team? I think you meant that Michael Jordan led a mediocre Chicago Bulls team to the 1991 NBA finals, while in the series having career high assists numbers and several near triple doubles and doubles, scoring around 30/8 a game. That Lakers team was built on pure talent, and a Young Vlade Divac at least ''talent-wise'' was as good as Kareem in his mid 40s. Also you seem to forget The Lakers collapsed, and not just in the NBA finals, when The Portland Trailblazers just embarassed them for several years in the Western Conference Finals or Western Conference Semi-finals.You had a Bulls team that was filled with contract arguements,busts(Stacey king,Will Perdue,Scott Williams) an allstar, the player who could never win when it counted(MJ), constant scoring arguements between the big men. That series and playoffs in general really showed what MJ was about, As overrated as Mjs leadership was, that series cemented his greatness.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You'll often hear about how amazing a leader Magic was, but people often forget many things, such as the arguements between him and James Worthy, his attempt to get him traded, and how he got rid of his coach after an arguement, and his playoff collapses without Kareem to back him up late in his career. It should be obvious, Kareem was the leader of this team, and without him it went no where, even him being in his 40s at that time, and maybe not being the best player on the team. How many rings did Magic win without Kareem? How many times did his team even challenge for a title without Kareem?</div>Did you see Magic's rookie season? In the Finals, Magic carried that team on his back playing at center for the injured Kareem. That was Magic's team, unquestionably.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Feb 27 2006, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why did you quote me?</div>My bad. I meant to quote Primetime.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thespiralgoeson @ Feb 26 2006, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you see Magic's rookie season? In the Finals, Magic carried that team on his back playing at center for the injured Kareem. That was Magic's team, unquestionably.</div>That was 1 game, How many finals series did Magic lead to the championship without kareem? And dont give me supporting cast because magic had disputingly the greatest supporting cast ever.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Feb 26 2006, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How can this even be debated?Magic led a very medicore Laker team to the 1991 NBA finals.</div> :rock:
It's getting tired with you making all these Magic hating threads Magic was the leader of those teams. The guy led them from worst to first in his first year, and fuilled in for their then leader Kareem in the Finals filling in his position. I think that's really when the torch was passed. Magic was the Point Guard, the guy who they trusted to get them the ball, his teammates loved him... He was their leader
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Feb 28 2006, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's getting tired with you making all these Magic hating threads Magic was the leader of those teams. The guy led them from worst to first in his first year, and fuilled in for their then leader Kareem in the Finals filling in his position. I think that's really when the torch was passed. Magic was the Point Guard, the guy who they trusted to get them the ball, his teammates loved him... He was their leader</div>They were not the worst team when he came into the NBA, they were no where near that.Just off my head some notable players they had and they made the playoffs and done damage in it for 3 consecutive seasons even before he came into the NBA so what the hell were you talking about?Norm Nixon,Michael Cooper,Spencer Haywood,Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Jamaal WilkesAlso it's not hating, I just like to discuss it. It seems so obvious but its a general agreement under false pretense. I've also said on several occasions Magic was one of my favorite players. It's easy to say Magic is the greatest PG ever, MJ is the perfect player and perfect leader, and Shaq cannot be stopped in the Finals but it sounds so stupid to agree on that just based on hype, like most NBA fans do. They seem ''closed topics'' No one wants to discuss, but most people have no reasoning for it. It's just Magic was the PG and made his teammates, better so he must be the leader. Just because he made his teammates better doesnt Neccesitate him as leader.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Mar 1 2006, 06:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They were not the worst team when he came into the NBA, they were no where near that.Just off my head some notable players they had and they made the playoffs and done damage in it for 3 consecutive seasons even before he came into the NBA so what the hell were you talking about?Norm Nixon,Michael Cooper,Spencer Haywood,Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Jamaal WilkesAlso it's not hating, I just like to discuss it. It seems so obvious but its a general agreement under false pretense. I've also said on several occasions Magic was one of my favorite players. It's easy to say Magic is the greatest PG ever, MJ is the perfect player and perfect leader, and Shaq cannot be stopped in the Finals but it sounds so stupid to agree on that just based on hype, like most NBA fans do. They seem ''closed topics'' No one wants to discuss, but most people have no reasoning for it. It's just Magic was the PG and made his teammates, better so he must be the leader. Just because he made his teammates better doesnt Neccesitate him as leader.</div>You bring up some interesting points, but Magic was very much the vocal leader of the team. That pretty much sums it up right there. He was by far and away their best player, the vocal leader, and the face of the franchise for many years. In what way shape or form was he NOT the leader of the team?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thespiralgoeson @ Mar 2 2006, 01:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You bring up some interesting points, but Magic was very much the vocal leader of the team. That pretty much sums it up right there. He was by far and away their best player, the vocal leader, and the face of the franchise for many years. In what way shape or form was he NOT the leader of the team?</div>Many people often talk about how David Robinson never won a ring without Duncan, so Duncan must have been the leader of the team people assume right?along with Kobe who they say never won any rings without Shaq, and use it as an excuse for poor leadership?Explain to me how this is any different.
Primetime why do you create threads in old school and only question their worth. You just make threads that try to stir up debates but there's really no debate. If I wanted to ask rhetorical questions, I would, but it's just stupid.
