Grizzlies sign F Miles to second 10-day contract

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  1. The_Lillard_King

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    I'm not attacking you, I just disagree with you about Memphis doing something wrong. Players get signed to 10 day contracts all the time without being signed for the remainder of the season.

    The real issue is can Miles play . . . and unfortunately the answer appears to be yes.
     
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    I see it as cover to try and protect themselves. I imagine things aren't as black/white as the media tries to make it regarding this situation. Anyhow, at this point I just want to see how many consecutive games Miles can play without being credited for an assist, so I hope he is signed.
     
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    In how many of those instances has it literally meant a difference whether or not a team profits from the luxury tax?

    My guess is zero, but I don't know for sure. Also, if Darius is such an asset who needs to be evaluated, why doesn't Memphis start him? He's playing garbage minutes on a terrible team.
     
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    this isn't actually the case(unless your argument is that no minutes with the grizzlies are meaningful). in at least two of the games he has started the 2nd quarter and i think in all but the first one he played in, he's been playing minutes where the outcome of the game was still very much in doubt.
     
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    True. I don't think Memphis gives a rat's ass about the email. But if they did, I agree this would help their case.
     
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    All the more odd then that he isn't getting more PT or being kept all year. He regressed last game though. I imagine dude has a pretty sore knee at this point.
     
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    i would assume that it's cheaper for the grizzlies to bring him in for the limit of 10 day contracts(which i believe is 2), and then sign him for the rest of the year.

    so it may be that they are just doing that because it's the best for them financially and there is a 20 day period where if miles gets hurt, they won't have to guarantee him a contract for the rest of the year.
     
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    Absolutely. There's simply no reason for Memphis to have signed him to a guaranteed deal yet... they are able to get him in a more flexible way with a series of 10 day contracts.

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    Of course you hope it. You've built up this big conspiracy in your head and in order to continue to argue for its existence in spite of the absence of evidence supporting it, you've had to create issues that aren't even issues.

    An example: Miles being upset at the lack of a guaranteed contract.

    He wants to PLAY. He wants money, of course, but he wants to demonstrate to teams around the NBA that he can play and he deserves a deal.

    In Portland he would have sat on the bench or even the inactive roster for the rest of the year. Guaranteed money in that case is all but worthless to him, considering how hard he's worked to come back from where he was physically.

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    I'm not sure if that is the case. What are the terms of a 10-day contract? I've seen varied responses all over the internet. Some say it's prorated based on the a veteran's minimum (hence no savings to Memphis), others say it is $15k-$20k/game (more expensive than the prorated minimum at this point for Memphis, and others say it is a flat $50k.

    Does anybody know the terms of a 10-day contract for a 6-year vet?
     
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    I'm so tired of the Darius stuff. The e-mail was dumb, Memphis is dumb and Chris Wallace is still an idiot. They're 1-6 since they've signed Miles, including losing their past six. They're a loser of a franchise, looking to make the cheap buck off us and doing the rest of the teams' dirty work and moving on.

    And I can't wait to see Rudy Gay and OJ Mayo leave when they can. They're second to last in the NBA in attendance, they couldn't even fill up the Coliseum at this point. And I wouldn't mind seeing the NBA disband the franchise eventually.
     
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    What are you talking about? What conspiracy? I am posting about what may or may not be reality, and none of it has been refuted, so I'll keep posting about it. As for sitting on the bench in Portland, again, where in the CBA does it say that a team has to play a claimed player, or that one team doesn't have a right to claim a waived player, or that the NBA can deny a member of the union a contract? Did the NBA and Miles' agent collude? That's not out of the realm of possibility at this point.

    Darius Miles, his hopes, and his dreams are irrelevant in this matter, and if the NBA made Darius's needs an issue in deciding whether Portland could claim him or not, then that needs to be addressed by the Blazers via whatever legal channel is available to them before this summer.
     
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    Well said. I won't post further on this until Miles is let go next week. :devilwink:
     
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    I think the second 10-day contract is a CYA (cover your ass) move my Memphis to insure that Miles salary will count against the cap, and they will get their share of the luxury tax payments from Paul Allen.

    Miles has actually only played in 5 regular season games - and six preseason games with the Celtics.

    If he plays less than 10 regular season games, I think the Blazers will file an appeal wit the league at the end of the season to get the preseason games thrown out. And, I think they'd have a pretty good case. Preseason games don't count for anything else. They don't count in the standings, the individual stats don't count toward the players' career averages, and they didn't count against the 10 game suspension Miles had to serve. So, if they don't count for anything else, why do they count against the 10-game requirement to put Miles' salary back on the Blazers cap? If this went to arbitration, the precident is that preseason games do NOT count.

    So, Memphis has 5 games in the next 10 days. If they play Miles a couple minutes in each, it removes any hope of a successful appeal by the Blazers. They they can cut Miles loose and sit back and collect the luxury tax money from Paul Allen.

    Miles has never fit into the Memphis long term plans. There were younger, cheap forwards availalble that would fit better with their young core, and might even stick with the team long term. Picking up Miles was a transparent move to collect luxury tax payments from another owner and hurt another team's free agent chances. If they really think he's a good fit with their team, they will keep him beyond the second 10-day contract and sign him for the rest of the season. If it was just a move to harm a competitor financially and limit their chances to improve through free agency, he will play in the nxt five games and then be let go ending his illustrious career in Memphis. I suspect it will be the latter.

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    The conspiracy that you allege where Memphis has signed Miles only to screw over the Blazers.

    My head expands and contracts at a million miles an hour every 200 seconds. It expands to the distance of 10 feet before contracting again. It moves so quickly and the atoms move so perfectly that my normal bodily functions are not disturbed and no one has ever been able to detect that it happens.

    I've claimed this for years, and no one has refuted it once. Should I take it as fact, then?

    How does any of that lead to Miles suing the NBA, as you hope that he does?

    So you hope that Miles sues irrespective of his desires and dreams?

    You do understand how, at the most basic level, the legal system works, right?

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    The language of the CBA is different regarding games played that affect medical retirement than for the other cases you cite.

    I seriously doubt an arbitrator would rule against the NBA and in favor of the Blazers.

    Ed O.
     
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    Link?

    BNM
     
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    Interesting. I suggest an experiment whereby we put your head into a steel helmet for a period of 201 seconds and see what happens. If indeed your head tries to expand as per your assertion, the excess volume has to go somewhere, which may well impact your bodily functions. :devilwink:
     
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    Definition of "Season": http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-I.php#iii . "“Season” or “NBA Season” means the period beginning on the first day of training camp and ending immediately after the last game of the NBA Finals."

    This is distinct from (uuu) in the definitions, which is "“Regular Season” means, with respect to any Season, the period beginning on the first day and ending on the last day of regularly scheduled (as opposed to exhibition or playoff) competition between NBA Teams."

    Unless the language of the medical retirement rule states "regular season games" rather than "games during a season", preseason games (as opposed to summer league and exhibitions, which are defined in the CBA here) should count.

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    The atoms in my expanding head move in such a way that they avoid (by simply going through) any substance, leaving no residue...

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