Wearing out opponents

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  1. ¹²³

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    The dogs are the secret. ;)
     
  2. Answer_AI03

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    He needs to stop worrying about outrunning people, and start worrying about hitting his jump shot.
     
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    Well, his success comes from his ability to stay in shape. The reason he's been so efficient in the past is because of his ability to wear the other guy out. He never stops moving on offense, and he gets a lot of very good looks because of that.

    And just putting it out there...but Rip is shooting 43%...not great, I realize, but it's a lot better than your boy, AI's, who's shooting an abysmal 39%.

    Also to point out, Rip has shot better than 50% in his last four games, and in 7 of his last 10, unlike your boy AI, who has shot 50% or better all of 3 times this year. So maybe, you should worry about AI's shooting, and not Rips, because he's turned the corner, AI still can't his jumper to save his life this year.
     
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    Personally, I think Stuckey should start at the 1 and AI should come off the bench. This would solve Rips problem which is AI dribbling too much and the offense not running through him. At least coming off the bench Iverson dominating the ball wouldn't be a problem, and he could provide some offense during the time the starters are resting.
     
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    But we all know what would happen if AI got benched. He'd cry and bitch and moan. This would cause more chemistry issues than what they already have, and that's not something that they need. I think Iverson just needs to grow up and accept the fact that the way he wants to play isn't how the Pistons play.
     
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    How is he supposed to know how the Pistons play if he doesn't go to practice?
     
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    Great question. Guess, maybe? I dunno.
     
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    I knew this Chauncey/AI trade would be rubbish for the Pistons. The Nuggets are having great success from having Chauncey where as the Pistons who were number 2 or 3 in the east are now 7th.

    If they had kept Chauncey they wouldn't have slipped this much.

    This isn't a "I don't think Iverson is a good player" statement, but Iverson isn't a team player first, he's a "self" player...He will we create for himSELF and take the shot...even if another player may have a better shot, he'll shoot it...I think that is Allen's biggest problem.

    Y'all need Chauncey back, but unfortunately I don't think he would comeback because he's back "home" now.
     
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    Agree. The AI trade has been a disaster. Are they even above .500 with AI on the team? I'd venture to say no, but I might be wrong.

    However...it's still probably too early to tell, since it's only been what...20 games? A lot of things can change, but at this point, the Nuggets got the best of the deal for this year, because Chauncey has really helped their defense, ball movement...basically everything with them. AI hasn't helped anything but the loss column at this point for the Pistons. It's a good thing that this was made purely as a cap dump though, otherwise this would look very disastrous.
     
  10. tremaine

    tremaine To Win, Be Like Fitz

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    The Pistons are playing chess while the Nuggets are playing checkers. Although you can learn how to win at checkers a lot more quickly than chess, you can not win a playoff series with checkers. I will explain what I am saying here in great detail very soon when I finally, yes finally, do a full report. And yes, I freely admit that one of the reasons I have delayed my reporting is because the post trade situation for the Nuggets and Pistons has turned out to be more complicated and more favorable to the Nuggets than I expected. But this only supports my ultimate theory regarding Iverson, which now seems a reality that it is impossible to deny. Much more later.

    But I have a few questions for all those whose theory is that the reason why Iverson makes his teams worse is because "he is selfish."

    1. Why would Iverson be selfish now when he already knows that he has clinched hall of fame status? He has also already won virtually every other award a player can win during his career. No reputable basketball analyst believes that there is any chance at all that Iverson will not be admitted to the hall of fame. So why would Iverson hurt his teams' playoff chances when there is nothing more to speak of him for him to gain as an individual player?
    2. Is it because Iverson has a personality disorder, or simply a bad personality? Does he have attention deficit disorder? Is he mostly unable to control what he does on the court? Something else? A mental defect? Selfishness is a description of how someone behaves, so there has to be something behind or under it. To say "Iverson is selfish" is not saying much even if it is correct. It's like saying it's dark outside, without saying why it is dark. So what is the real, underlying cause of the problem where Iverson makes his teams worse?

    My theory gets less traction at this forum than almost anywhere else, so I won't even remind people what it is here. I'm trying to flesh out in more detail what the true, anti-Iverson group really, truly thinks is the problem. I'm not really asking for proof, I'm just asking for more specifics.
     
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    tremaine To Win, Be Like Fitz

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    Two other good questions for the anti-Iverson folks:

    1. Has there ever in history been any Hall of Fame and multi-award winning player (other than allegedly Iverson) who makes his teams worse than they would be if he were not on the team?

    2. Has Iverson just been flat out lying in many of his news conferences from the past couple of years, the ones where he has offered to score less and to do whatever the coaches want him to do?
     
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  12. Denny Crane

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    (There is an "I" in "WIN" tho)
     
  13. tremaine

    tremaine To Win, Be Like Fitz

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    Still waiting.

    Allen Iverson is selfish because ______________________________.

    Finally did a full report for the first time in several weeks and for the first time since the Nuggets moved to the other Universe! But no one has seen it because it was posted in the middle of the night and because the Nuggets forum has almost no regular visitors now. Here are the last 3 paragraphs which are on the subject of the Pistons:

    In short, bring it on Nuggets; it will be an unexpected enjoyment watching you lose in the playoffs next spring, even more so if you get home court. And of course it will be a true treat if the Pistons fail to get home court and still win in the playoffs.

    And keep in mind that if the Pistons are ruined just because Iverson is on their team, and the anti-Iverson crowd has no real explanation for why "Iverson is selfish," to boot, my "Ultimate Iverson Theory" is now proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, a point that I thought was going to take a lot more time and research to get to. I never thought until recently that my theory could be as sweepingly correct as it now appears to be. What a twisted but strangely enjoyable season this has turned out to be. Reality is always more fun than fiction; never read fiction and glad I don't.
     
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  14. tremaine

    tremaine To Win, Be Like Fitz

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    I don't think you want me to do an "Iverson is selfish because...." multiple choice poll, lol, but I may be forced to.
     
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    tremaine To Win, Be Like Fitz

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    Ask yourself, who is now more versatile and more difficult to slow down or shut down: Rajon Rondo or Chauncey Billups? Rondo is now at least as good as Billups, which means Dumars was correct in his analysis, regardless of Iverson. As the anti-Iverson crowd is fond of pointing out, all Dumars has to do, if the Ultimate Theory is absolutely and completely correct, is to let Iverson the leper move on to another team and use his huge salary space to go after some big names.
     
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  16. EsperanzaFleet69

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    maybe they should get a new coach and trade they leftover baggage who cant hit a shot without chauncy there.

    nothing against rip... but... nobody on their whole team fits into michael curry's "system" if u could call it that...

    also when u look at shooting percentages maybe u should look at fgm vs fga.. rips prolly shooting 6-7 times in a game.. ai is shooting at least double that...

    when a player goes from averaging 27 pts 7 assists (basically numbers of dwayne wade) to 17 and 5 over 1 season you dont think theres something wrong with the coaching?

    detroit it way too overcrowded in the backcourt and decently shallow in the front

    they should seriously try to trade rip straight up for carlos boozer then bank on iverson, sheed, and boozer leaving at the end of the year. thatll free up some cash to rebuild with stucky, tay, amir and maxiell.. and hopefully get a new coach
     

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