First one I can think of, espically since Parish is in is Dennis Rodman. Possibly Charles Oakley also. Of course there's Kobe Bryant,Lebron james, and Shaq, but they'll all be HOFers. But what about Steve Nash?
Myself I dont think Steve Nash will make the HOF, he is an MVP, and moving up towards his second consecutive MVP but HOF is really about career averages, other then Bill Walton and Parish at least.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Myself I dont think Steve Nash will make the HOF, he is an MVP, and moving up towards his second consecutive MVP but HOF is really about career averages, other then Bill Walton and Parish at least.</div>Hall of Fame isnt all about career averages. Its about the impact you made on the game.Look at guys like Tom Barlow and Harry "Buddy" Jeanatte. There stats are as medicore as it gets but they impacted the game in many ways.
If Steve Nash wins the MVP he will join an elite group, featuring Jordan, Bird, Tim Duncan, and Magic Johnson. Those are some hefty names to be in the same sentence with, and although he is not as good as any of them, he still deserves something. Another factor, look at the impact he has had on basketball in Canada. Last year during my final stay up in Canadia, Suns jerseys were everywhere and Steve Nash took up more time on Sportscentre than football. He has made an impact on the NBA, and Basketball in Canada, and I don't see how he won't make it if he wins another MVP award.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 4 2006, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Charles Oakley? Come on...Then do have to put in every good defender who got 9 rpg?</div>Charles Oakley was shaq before shaq came out, the mussel of a teams defense and a very good rebounder. Not only that but he impacted the game, I guarantee you would never of heard of Ben Wallace or Desagna Diop if He had created that type of game, I also doubt referee's would accomidate Shaqs style of pummeling defense without more calls if he hadnt come into the game. He was the first pure defensive brute force in the game. Yes he belongs in there, at least if your going to have Robert Parish.
What has LeBron done to make him deservant of the HOF? Its rediculous to mention his name in this conversation...He hasnt proven anything yet, he hasnt even gotten his team in the playoffs yet. He has the potential to have a tremendous career, but at this point you cant call him someone who should be a hall of famer when he hasnt done anything to justify that yet..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoopskidd5 @ Mar 4 2006, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What has LeBron done to make him deservant of the HOF? Its rediculous to mention his name in this conversation...He hasnt proven anything yet, he hasnt even gotten his team in the playoffs yet. He has the potential to have a tremendous career, but at this point you cant call him someone who should be a hall of famer when he hasnt done anything to justify that yet..</div>Even if Lebron retires tomorrow I'd consider him one of the greatest SF's to ever play the game, of course he'll be in HOF. He's 21 and almost averaging a triple double with 30 points to add to it. As far as playoffs go, wait 2 months.
He has never played in a playoff game! He has a very promosing future, and in time should become a Hall of Famer, but you cant just simply say he will be one because of what you THINK he will do in the future. The topic is who should be hall of famers..right now he isnt one because, although he has the potential to do alot, he hasnt done it yet, and untill then, shouldnt be mentioned as someone who should be a Hall of Famer right now...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoopskidd5 @ Mar 4 2006, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He has never played in a playoff game! He has a very promosing future, and in time should become a Hall of Famer, but you cant just simply say he will be one because of what you THINK he will do in the future. The topic is who should be hall of famers..right now he isnt one because, although he has the potential to do alot, he hasnt done it yet, and untill then, shouldnt be mentioned as someone who should be a Hall of Famer right now...</div>That point has no relevence though because it's only a matter of time. It's like when MJ was still young, from the first game he played you knew he was going to be a HOFer.
If LeBron retired tomorrow, with a 3 PPG scoring average in the 4th Quarter and never having been in the Playoffs, how great can he really be? Yes he has put up solid numbers, but so has Stephon Marbury. Will he be in the Hall of Fame? No. Elton Brand has averaged 20,10 and 3 (Blocks) throughout his career, will he go to the Hall of Fame? Hell no.The fact you think LeBron could get into the Hall of Fame tomorrow purely on statistics is simply wrong. What has he done besides put up solid stats? Nothing. He hasn't won, hasn't become a clutch player in the regular season, hasn't even got to the playoffs. He hasn't accomplished anything as far as I'm concerned besides a few "Youngest Ever" records which no one will remember.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Mar 4 2006, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That point has no relevence though because it's only a matter of time. It's like when MJ was still young, from the first game he played you knew he was going to be a HOFer.</div>Yeah, but you cant just speculate what you think they are going to do. The fact is it hasnt been done untill they do it and untill they accomplish the things that make them great you cant mark them as hall of famers. You have to achieve things before you can be credited for doing them, you cant just say, oh, I think hell do this and that will make him a legend..The guy has to go out and do it first before you can credit him for it..
But Lebron isnt retiring tomorrow, this ''debate'' if thats what it even is, is irrelevent on both sides. If he were to get a career ending injury, or even killed, he'd likely make the HOF at some point. Look at what happened to Drazen.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Mar 4 2006, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If LeBron retired tomorrow, with a 3 PPG scoring average in the 4th Quarter and never having been in the Playoffs, how great can he really be? Yes he has put up solid numbers, but so has Stephon Marbury. Will he be in the Hall of Fame? No. Elton Brand has averaged 20,10 and 3 (Blocks) throughout his career, will he go to the Hall of Fame? Hell no.The fact you think LeBron could get into the Hall of Fame tomorrow purely on statistics is simply wrong. What has he done besides put up solid stats? Nothing. He hasn't won, hasn't become a clutch player in the regular season, hasn't even got to the playoffs. He hasn't accomplished anything as far as I'm concerned besides a few "Youngest Ever" records which no one will remember.</div>Exactly, couldnt have put it better myself...Untill you win and compete at a larger stage, you cant be considered a hall of famer..You can say all you want about what you think he will do, but untill he does it and untill he proves himself in clutch playoff moments, you cant give him such an honor..
Steve nash is playing excatly like he did in dallas but because of the circumstances he got into he's a HOF?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Mar 4 2006, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Steve nash is playing excatly like he did in dallas but because of the circumstances he got into he's a HOF?</div>If Nash wins two consecutive MVPs it will be hard to keep him out of HOF, and its not the ''circumstances he got into'' I never saw Coangelo on the court.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Mar 4 2006, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Steve nash is playing excatly like he did in dallas but because of the circumstances he got into he's a HOF?</div>He might get into the HOF because he is probably going to win his second MVP award. If he does, he is part of an elite class and has to be considered one of the greatest PGs ever. This is a guy that has put up two straight seasons that are better than some of John Stocktons best seasons. He has also influenced Canadian Basketball more than any other player. Remember, this is the basketball HOF, not NBA Hall of Fame. He has had a major impact on both
Ugh, he's overrated as hell especially how he "supposedly " transformed the suns.Suns trade their point guard away, Amare goes down and the suns bench players play extended minutes. The suns have a horrible season.Next season Steve nash is signed along with Q-rich with a healthy Amare back. Suns win 60 and then get lose to the spurs in 5.This season Amare is gone, So is Q-rich and Joe johnson. But they add Raja bell and some other good benc players. Steve nash having a great season but Marion is steps up too, Raja bell plays good defense and keeps the other teams best offensive player in check.So explain to me how Nash did it all by himself? Because you go to Suns forums and you see what they say.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Mar 4 2006, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Steve nash is playing excatly like he did in dallas but because of the circumstances he got into he's a HOF?</div>Steve Nash should be a hall of famer because of the things he has accomplished in his career. LeBron is just entering his prime and hasnt proven anything yet in this league. Once he does the things people expect of him, you can say he deserves to be a hall of famer, but you simply cant base these things on what you think they will do...You can say you think they will be hall of famers when its all said and done, but at this point in his career, you cant look back and say what he has done is worthy of a hall of famer..
