RD, i never bashed Kobe for staying in. I watched the game, and it was entertaining. I have NOTHING against Kobe Bryant, i'm just not blinded by a bias. Laker fans think that if someone is not absolutely praising Kobe, then they are bashing him.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real Deal @ Mar 3 2006, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>...and just to clarify, I never did say he was the best ever. I put Jordan and Magic over Kobe when it comes to guards, but by the end of his career, he has it in him to be right at the top with those two, if he's not already.If Kobe can grab another ring, I'll put him over Magic. However, I really doubt anyone in this lifetime will ever be as good as Michael Jordan.</div>he was responding to the first post. stop being so defensive.
Have you ever seen Micheal Jordan play? Wilt Chamberlain (I don't think anyone here has though)? Plus many others Kobe has along way to go. Just because he scored eighty-one points don't mean he is the best ever. He is a complete ballhog IMO. Also there is noone else on the Lakers that is that good. Kobe is a good player but not the best ever. Deffinately a top 10 though.
[quote name='nba dogmatist' post='10691' date='Mar 3 2006, 04:01 PM']he was responding to the first post. stop being so defensive.[/quote]I wasn't responding to him directly. I only quoted him because he commented about Kobe being the best ever. There's a difference when you place "...and just to clarify" in front of your post, rather than directing it at someone...so stop jumping to conclusions.[quote name='Peja16' post='10681' date='Mar 3 2006, 03:50 PM']I wasnt debating with you.I was simply STATING MY OPNION.[/quote]I didn't argue your opinion, either, so my response was indirect...hence the "...and just to clarify" to begin my post. I don't need caps to assist me in understanding anyone's posts.[quote name='Wade3' post='10719' date='Mar 3 2006, 04:34 PM']He is a complete ballhog IMO.[/quote] [quote name='Wade3' post='10719' date='Mar 3 2006, 04:34 PM']Also there is noone else on the Lakers that is that good.[/quote]You just dismantled your first statement by your second one.It's proven that when Kobe averages over 5 assists, the Lakers are worse. Kobe drops 62 on Dallas and beats the Mavs by himself. He drops 81 against the Raptors and comes back from a 24-point deficit to win the game. Ball-hogging? It's called taking over a game in these instances. Jordan did it many, many times. Wilt did it. Those are two guys you brought up, but you call Kobe a ballhog and criticize him for it? That's a double-standard.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Peja16 @ Mar 3 2006, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah Kobe aint really a Ballhog but Jordan was lol.</div>Both are, but it's not in a negative way. If Kobe becomes a passive player, the Lakers would win 15 games total next season. If Jordan averaged under 25 points a game, he wouldn't have six rings. If Iverson wasn't winning scoring titles, the Sixers would be nowhere near the playoffs in previous years.Ball-hogging in a negative way applies to guys that can't win games while using that method. A great example of this would be with Lamar Odom, when he decides to do his own thing in the final two minutes after not providing for 35 minutes before that. It's like David Robinson, who ball-hogged in a negative way just to win the scoring title, not needing to send a message or come back from a big deficit.There's a huge difference.
Kobe has a good reason for being a ball hog - because it's been proven that even 35 points can result in a loss, thats how much his team sucks.Lamar Odom said it himself not exactly that exact message exactly, but very similar.
Building on what people have said, it's perfectly fine with me if Kobe decides to shoot 35 good shots. If he is taking hard pull up jumpers at the top of the key, 10 foot fadeaways, and spot up jumpers, chances are he'll hit a solid percentage of them, and that's fine. It's when he starts getting eratic that bothers me. Earlier on i the year versus Houston, he shot a 20 foot runner and 20 foot fadeaway in a span of 2 minutes in the 4th quarter. Thats when being selfish is bad. However, if Kobe can take 35 good shots, it's better than Kobe taking 25 good shots and Smush Parker taking 10 good shots.
Good point KMart. Obviously, Kobe needs to score for his team to have success but that does not mean pulling up fade away 40 footers when he can just pass it off to his teammate and get a higher percentage shot. That stuff there is no excuse for. It's not like his team is a bunch of 7th graders. Their in the NBA, they can play so it's not like Kobe has to take a shot everytime he gets the ball and take stupid shots all the time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 4 2006, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Good point KMart. Obviously, Kobe needs to score for his team to have success but that does not mean pulling up fade away 40 footers when he can just pass it off to his teammate and get a higher percentage shot. That stuff there is no excuse for. It's not like his team is a bunch of 7th graders. Their in the NBA, they can play so it's not like Kobe has to take a shot everytime he gets the ball and take stupid shots all the time.</div>That must be why Kobe is shooting 45%...right?Well what would you say about Gilbert Arenas and Vince Carter? Iverson, Ray Allen and Jason Richardson? All are shooting 45% or below as well.Thing is, everyone is criticizing Kobe for not driving to the hoop as much. Out of every star guard in the league, Kobe is driving the least. However, his FG% is at 45%. He's also shooting 35% from downtown...which is better than LeBron James, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, Baron Davis, Joe Johnson, Quentin Richardson, and Shawn Marion.Bron and Wade's FG% are 4-5% higher because they attack the basket more. With better teammates, the spacing is better...and they have the lane, no double or triple teams (for example, Detroit didn't double-team Wade all game), and their field goal percentage is higher because of the shots (dunks and layups) they take. Simple as that.Kobe Bryant must be one helluva shooter to be able to pull off a 45% FG average, if he's driving the lane the least out of all the star guards and SF's in the league.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He's also shooting 35% from downtown...which is better than LeBron James, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, Baron Davis, Joe Johnson, Quentin Richardson, and Shawn Marion.</div> Ehhh...Not saying much.
Kobe is a very high percentage shooter when he drives or takes mid range or open three pointers. But if you could find a stat of some sort on stupid shots Kobe's percentage would no be very high on that. I'm just saying that he should pass more instead of doing those stupid shots. Because they are unneccisary and they are a low percentage shot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 4 2006, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ehhh...Not saying much. </div>It is when those same guys aren't being criticized for their three-point attempts.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 4 2006, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe is a very high percentage shooter when he drives or takes mid range or open three pointers. But if you could find a stat of some sort on stupid shots Kobe's percentage would no be very high on that. I'm just saying that he should pass more instead of doing those stupid shots. Because they are unneccisary and they are a low percentage shot.</div>I thought you said most all of his shots were stupid shots? That's what alot of people are trying to say.By the way, who does he pass to? He's already averaging 5 assists per game. Odom is the initiator, and Kobe is both the leading scorer and only 0.5 assists behind Odom, who is averaging a disgusting 14 PPG.Since the All-Star break, Kobe is averaging almost seven assists per game, or right at it. However, he's still having to put up 40+ a game to win. Passing is not helping Kobe at all...it's only making him work harder in the 4th because his teammates can't hit shots. I've watched all 59 Laker games this season, and that's the story since last November.
It is not hard to get an assist when literally he is being triple teamed. Just pass it off to some one and boom, assist. That doesnt mean that he passes alot.
I really do not what to say about you. How many times has the ball came back to kobe with the shotclock and he has to shoot a hailmary shot?Have you even watched the lakers or do you get all you're info from Charles Barkley?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 4 2006, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It is not hard to get an assist when literally he is being triple teamed. Just pass it off to some one and boom, assist. That doesnt mean that he passes alot.</div>It's not that simple when your guys can't hit open shots, and they don't move around. It's easy to defend a standing player, ya know.Plus, Odom bricks more layups than I've ever seen anyone miss them in my life. Smush has missed probably three dunks this year...wide-open. Kwame is pathetic. I really don't know what else to tell you other than to just watch the Laker games and see just how terrible this team really is. There are a great deal of fans who used to hate Kobe, but now respect him for what all he is actually doing for this squad. I'd take McGrady's 2003 teammates any day of the week.Actually, the worst team in the NBA is the Bobcats (and Knicks, but that's a chemistry problem). Give Kobe that entire Bobcats team without Okafor, and they would be a better team than the Lakers are right now.Haha, Laker fans would die to have Knight, Brezec, Wallace, Felton and May.
How is it a known fact? What happens if lakers win another 4 championships, kobe wins 5 mvp's and all pulls of all these records?
haha you can bring that up when the Lakers get higher then an 8th seed. I doubt Kobe will ever win another championship.
