Zombie Rush the Stimulus Package...don't read it, just pass it!

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  1. AgentDrazenPetrovic

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    "Trust us, we know what we're doing!"

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_economy

    I'd like to see what this economic stimulus package actually entrails.

     
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    My opinion on these types of packages and spending is this:

    I'd rather spend more money improving our countries infrastructure, defense systems at home, cities, etc,etc, and helping out the poor recover, then spend an insane amount of money furthering our interests over seas, while we suffer back here.

    If Portland can get some funding to create better free-ways here, then count me in.
     
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    I agree that improving the general infrastructure of the country is a good thing. However, it seems like a general spending progrma than a "rescue" package....I'm still wary about the $700 billion bailout...1/2 the money was apparantly spent on buying up banks, not freeing credit. I voted for the high speed train system in California. Its extra tax but its something I think is important to the infrastructure and would indeed "stimulate" more commerce.

    However, just throwing money at government programs to spend the money for spcial projects...I'm skeptical.

    This apparantly is some of the breakdown?

    http://libertymaven.com/2009/01/28/...ll-does-little-to-stimulate-the-economy/4159/

     
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    The CBO report shows that almost none of the money will be spent prior to the 2010 election cycle.

    What's the rush if the money isn't being immediately spent?
     
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    Really? that's pretty nuts.
     
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    the bank bailout was rushed too...just to "free credit"...did any of that shit work at all?
     
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    ZERO republicans voted for the bill in the House.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_h...cans_deliver_slap_in_the_face_to_barack_obama

     
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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html

    More parts of the Stimulus Bill.

     
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    Republicans passed all kinds of things in the House when they controlled it. Not much of that passed the senate.

    It remains to be seen what happens with this bill.
     
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    easy, it will pass as is without opposition. Dems control the senate.
     
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    They need 60 votes for cloture to even vote on the bill. They don't have 60 democrats, so they're going to have to cut a bargain with the most willing republicans. Or republicans can stand (rightly) on principle until a valid bill is presented.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    When Democrats were threatening similar stands on principle, about four years ago, you called them obstructionist. You also seemed to advocate that Republicans take the "nuclear option" of changing the procedural rules to prevent Democrat fillibusters.

    Do you now advocate Democrats change the procedural rules to prevent obstructionist Republicans from fillibustering? ;)
     
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    Damn, Obama and I clearly have different ideas of what a "stimulus package" should look like.

    This looks like a dream-come-true shopping spree for the Democrats. A shopping spree labeled and disguised as a stimulus package.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Shopping stimulates the economy. Many economists urge people to go out and spend money to stimulate the economy. :)

    Obama's just doing all the work for you. Smart. Prevents people having to spend money on gas to drive to the mall.
     
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    Obama is putting poor gas jockeys out of work! At least in Oregon and New Jersey!

    barfo
     
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    Living within your means is what sustains an economy. OVERSPENDING doesn't help the economy long-term; it creates outsized supply which invariably leads to a destructive boom/bust cycle.
     
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    As for passing the Senate, it will pass with 60-64 votes. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine are guaranteed to cross the aisle. Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman love this thing. And because Senators represent entire states instead of narrow districts, they're more likely to be more moderate, which means when the political winds blow strongly one way, they'll lean with them. Right now, it's a hurricane of socialism.
     
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    I prefer "tropical storm of socialism." A little bit more alliteration.
     
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    Whatever gets this country out of the rut. That's what he's supposed to do. So spend money, what's the big deal? Has it ever been any different? Has the bickering from either side every stopped? Has the budget been balanced in the last 8 years?

    Fuck me, just get this country back up on its feet and create jobs, create infrastructure, create anything that will help people make it.
     
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