Would you be pleased with a Deng/Hinrich for RLEC, Outlaw, Sergio trade?

Cake · Jan 29, 2009

B-Roy said: ↑

Washington laughs their ass off.
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Did Memphis laugh their ass off before handing Pau Gasol over to the Lakers?

Don't underestimate a team's desire to get under the cap.

MIXUM · Jan 29, 2009

hes an idiot...its a very real chance.

really think about this trade from both sides....it fits so well.

i mean this gives the wiz 2 players with potential who are already decent nba players with growing room (maybe not travis lol) but dont tell anyone.

for us it solves backup PF and Starting SF....

Also gives bayless the backup role

Minstrel · Jan 29, 2009

MIXUM said: ↑

why do they laugh? They wanna cap space...they are getting it.
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They want cap space instead of the overpaid players on their roster, not instead of their correctly-paid young-prime star. Teams want cap space to GET players like Caron Butler...they don't trade players like Caron Butler to get cap space. That simply makes no sense.

ehizzy3 · Jan 29, 2009

MIXUM said: ↑

hes an idiot...its a very real chance.

really think about this trade from both sides....it fits so well.

i mean this gives the wiz 2 players with potential who are already decent nba players with growing room (maybe not travis lol) but dont tell anyone.

for us it solves backup PF and Starting SF....

Also gives bayless the backup role
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i'd trade maybe, kop and a first rounder. and then call it a deal

raef serg outlaw kop 1st rounder and cash

butler songalia dixon 2nd rounder

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...784&teams=27~27~27~27~22~22~22&te=&cash=27:22

Nikolokolus · Jan 29, 2009

Денг Гордон said: ↑

You'd be wise to pass on Hinrich+Nocioni (which is what the package would be, no way Bulls are trading Deng in this type of trade). Kirk Hinrich had one really good year, and otherwise has been an inefficient scorer, and just solid on defense.

Nocioni was really great in his first two seasons. Emerged as one of the team's leaders in 05-06 along with Gordon and Hinrich, helping lead the team to the playoffs.

Then in 06-07, the Bulls evolved into a team built around Hinrich/Gordon/Deng, with Nocioni as the fourth banana. Nocioni was scoring at a great efficient that year, but the team still got better when he went down with his injury. The past two years, he has evolved into a chucker that doesn't play defense.

But both Hinrich and Nocioni for some reason appear to have decent trade value and great interest around the league. If the Bulls can rid themselves of both in one trade, then that would be terrific. It would pave the way towards re-signing Ben Gordon and becoming a player in 2010 free agency.
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So you really think Deng -- who is a very good player, but probably not a "star" -- is untouchable when he's making 10 million this year and is on an escalating contract for the next six years? I'm not saying he's absolutely attainable, but in this economy and considering the state of affairs the Bulls are in (wanting to be players in the 2010 FA sweepstakes) shedding Hinrich and Deng frees up roughly 20 million off of their books ... If a team made the right offer (not necessarily the Blazers) I have to think Paxon would have to think long and hard about it.

DaRizzle · Jan 29, 2009

If I was POR I would do that in a heartbeat...I have no idea if I would want to do it if I was CHI because I dont care to research their situation

Денг Гордон · Jan 29, 2009

Nikolokolus said: ↑

So you really think Deng -- who is a very good player, but probably not a "star" -- is untouchable when he's making 10 million this year and is on an escalating contract for the next six years? I'm not saying he's absolutely attainable, but in this economy and considering the state of affairs the Bulls are in (wanting to be players in the 2010 FA sweepstakes) shedding Hinrich and Deng frees up roughly 20 million off of their books ... If a team made the right offer (not necessarily the Blazers) I have to think Paxon would have to think long and hard about it.
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To be a player in 2010 free agency, Bulls need something to sell to the players. Rose/Gordon/Deng at the 1-3 spots is something to sell him.

It's not that Deng's untouchable, he's just not going to be part of a salary dump. If the Raptors or Suns wanted to do something with the Bulls regarding Chris Nosh or Amare Stoudemire, I'm sure the Bulls would begin putting a package around Deng, maybe throwing Sefolosha, maybe Gooden's expiring, or Thomas/Noah. There's just no way the Bulls would give up Deng for Raef's expiring (when they're giving up Hinrich already, who they overvalue in the Bulls front office) and the Blazers crap.

STOMP · Jan 29, 2009

Though I think both Deng and Kirk would be the best guy at their spot on Portland, I passed as I'd hope the club could do better. The upgrade/upside isn't significant enough to outweigh the injury concerns and huge contracts.

STOMP

<-=*PdX*=-> · Jan 29, 2009

I would do that deal in a heartbeat. I don't see sergio fitting in with this team and Outlaw just seems to be the odd man out. I like Outlaw a lot but idk, there is just something iffy there. Getting Deng and Kirk would be awesome IMO. I think they both would fit in well here.

Denny Crane · Jan 29, 2009

Deng is back.

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="yspsctbg" align="center"><td colspan="6" class="ysptblhdr" align="left" height="18">Regular Season</td> <td rowspan="200" class="yspwhitebg" nowrap="nowrap" width="1"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td> <td colspan="4" class="ysptblhdr">FG</td> <td rowspan="200" class="yspwhitebg" nowrap="nowrap" width="1"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td> <td colspan="4" class="ysptblhdr">3PT</td> <td rowspan="200" class="yspwhitebg" nowrap="nowrap" width="1"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td> <td colspan="4" class="ysptblhdr">FT</td> <td rowspan="200" class="yspwhitebg" nowrap="nowrap" width="1"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td> <td colspan="4" class="ysptblhdr">Rebounds</td> <td rowspan="200" class="yspwhitebg" nowrap="nowrap" width="1"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td> <td colspan="7" class="ysptblhdr">Misc</td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblthbody1" align="right"><td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18"> Date</td><td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18">Opponent</td><td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18">Score</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="18">GS</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="18">Min</td><td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">M</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">A</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Pct</td> <td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">M</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">A</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Pct</td> <td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">M</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">A</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Pct</td> <td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">Off</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Def</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Tot</td> <td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">Ast</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">TO</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Stl</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Blk</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">PF</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Pts</td> <td> </td></tr><tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 28</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">@ LAC</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">W 95-75</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">37:03</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores">17</td> <td class="yspscores">58.8</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">9</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">23</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 25</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">@ MIN</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 108-109</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">42:49</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">7</td> <td class="yspscores">14</td> <td class="yspscores">50.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores">80.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">22</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 23</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">TOR</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 94-114</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">36:07</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">50.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores">60.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">14</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 20</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 102-105</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">34:48</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">16</td> <td class="yspscores">37.5</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">12</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 19</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">@ NYK</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 98-102</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">39:59</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">9</td> <td class="yspscores">16</td> <td class="yspscores">56.3</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">7</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">20</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 17</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">SAS</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 87-92</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">38:10</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">12</td> <td class="yspscores">50.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">9</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">12</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 15</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">CLE</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">W 102-93</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">39:43</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">12</td> <td class="yspscores">66.7</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">66.7</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">7</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">22</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 14</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">@ TOR</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">W 102-98</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">39:27</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">11</td> <td class="yspscores">45.5</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">9</td> <td class="yspscores">14</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">16</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 12</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">POR</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 95-109</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">22:14</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores">30.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">14</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left">
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Денг Гордон · Jan 29, 2009

Denny Crane said: ↑

Deng is back.

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="yspsctbg" align="center"><td colspan="6" class="ysptblhdr" align="left" height="18">Regular Season</td> <td rowspan="200" class="yspwhitebg" nowrap="nowrap" width="1"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td> <td colspan="4" class="ysptblhdr">FG</td> <td rowspan="200" class="yspwhitebg" nowrap="nowrap" width="1"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td> <td colspan="4" class="ysptblhdr">3PT</td> <td rowspan="200" class="yspwhitebg" nowrap="nowrap" width="1"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td> <td colspan="4" class="ysptblhdr">FT</td> <td rowspan="200" class="yspwhitebg" nowrap="nowrap" width="1"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td> <td colspan="4" class="ysptblhdr">Rebounds</td> <td rowspan="200" class="yspwhitebg" nowrap="nowrap" width="1"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td> <td colspan="7" class="ysptblhdr">Misc</td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblthbody1" align="right"><td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18"> Date</td><td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18">Opponent</td><td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18">Score</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="18">GS</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="18">Min</td><td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">M</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">A</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Pct</td> <td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">M</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">A</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Pct</td> <td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">M</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">A</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Pct</td> <td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">Off</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Def</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Tot</td> <td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">Ast</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">TO</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Stl</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Blk</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">PF</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Pts</td> <td> </td></tr><tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 28</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">@ LAC</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">W 95-75</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">37:03</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores">17</td> <td class="yspscores">58.8</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">9</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">23</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 25</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">@ MIN</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 108-109</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">42:49</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">7</td> <td class="yspscores">14</td> <td class="yspscores">50.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores">80.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">22</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 23</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">TOR</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 94-114</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">36:07</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">50.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores">60.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">14</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 20</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 102-105</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">34:48</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">16</td> <td class="yspscores">37.5</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">12</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 19</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">@ NYK</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 98-102</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">39:59</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">9</td> <td class="yspscores">16</td> <td class="yspscores">56.3</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">7</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">20</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 17</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">SAS</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 87-92</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">38:10</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">12</td> <td class="yspscores">50.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">9</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">12</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 15</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">CLE</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">W 102-93</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">39:43</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">12</td> <td class="yspscores">66.7</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">66.7</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">7</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">22</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 14</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">@ TOR</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">W 102-98</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">39:27</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">11</td> <td class="yspscores">45.5</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">9</td> <td class="yspscores">14</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">16</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 12</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">POR</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 95-109</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">22:14</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores">30.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">14</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left">
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So is Hinrich

RayDavies · Jan 29, 2009

That Chicago deal puts us with the league elite, almost right away IMO. Deng and Hinrich are overpaid, but it ain't my money.

I would do the WAS deal also, as the effect would be similar, perhaps slightly less spectacular.

Entity · Jan 29, 2009

I would definitely go for this deal in a heartbeat. No question.

Pinwheel1 · Jan 29, 2009

It does not thrill me at all. It's not bad but I prefer a 2-1 more than a 3-2. I like Bayless as our future PG, so IMO we don't need Kirk. I don't want to get rid of Outlaw so I would say no. Raef, Fry and a #1 for................is my preference.

Ed O · Jan 29, 2009

Denny Crane said: ↑

Deng is back.

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align="right"><td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18"> Date</td><td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18">Opponent</td><td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18">Score</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="18">GS</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="18">Min</td><td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">M</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">A</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Pct</td> <td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">M</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">A</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Pct</td> <td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">M</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">A</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Pct</td> <td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">Off</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Def</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Tot</td> <td> </td><td class="yspdetailttl">Ast</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">TO</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Stl</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Blk</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">PF</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">Pts</td> <td> </td></tr><tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 28</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">@ LAC</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">W 95-75</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">37:03</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores">17</td> <td class="yspscores">58.8</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">9</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">23</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 25</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">@ MIN</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 108-109</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">42:49</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">7</td> <td class="yspscores">14</td> <td class="yspscores">50.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores">80.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">22</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 23</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">TOR</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 94-114</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">36:07</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">50.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores">60.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">14</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 20</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 102-105</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">34:48</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">16</td> <td class="yspscores">37.5</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">12</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 19</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">@ NYK</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 98-102</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">39:59</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">9</td> <td class="yspscores">16</td> <td class="yspscores">56.3</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">7</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">20</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 17</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">SAS</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 87-92</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">38:10</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">12</td> <td class="yspscores">50.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">9</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">12</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 15</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">CLE</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">W 102-93</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">39:43</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">12</td> <td class="yspscores">66.7</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">66.7</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">7</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">22</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 14</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">@ TOR</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">W 102-98</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">39:27</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">11</td> <td class="yspscores">45.5</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">6</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores">9</td> <td class="yspscores">14</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">4</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">16</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left"> Jan 12</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">POR</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left">L 95-109</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">22:14</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">10</td> <td class="yspscores">30.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">8</td> <td class="yspscores">100.0</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">2</td> <td class="yspscores">5</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td><td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">3</td> <td class="yspscores">0</td> <td class="yspscores">1</td> <td class="yspscores">14</td> <td class="yspscores"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left">
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Wow... yeah, he's playing well. I hadn't noticed that he was coming back so strongly...

Ed O.

Minstrel · Jan 29, 2009

Darn. Wish we had gotten Deng before he recovered his game.

MARIS61 · Jan 29, 2009

Raef for Deng.

The rest of the deal is ridiculous.

Bake it.

maxiep · Jan 29, 2009

Nikolokolus said: ↑

So you really think Deng -- who is a very good player, but probably not a "star" -- is untouchable when he's making 10 million this year and is on an escalating contract for the next six years? I'm not saying he's absolutely attainable, but in this economy and considering the state of affairs the Bulls are in (wanting to be players in the 2010 FA sweepstakes) shedding Hinrich and Deng frees up roughly 20 million off of their books ... If a team made the right offer (not necessarily the Blazers) I have to think Paxon would have to think long and hard about it.
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More importantly, Reinsdorf would have to think about it. It may not make sense to John Paxson, but it may be tough for Jerry to turn his back on.

Денг Гордон · Jan 29, 2009

maxiep said: ↑

More importantly, Reinsdorf would have to think about it. It may not make sense to John Paxson, but it may be tough for Jerry to turn his back on.
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Jerry Reinsdorf handled the negotiations with Deng personally. Both Deng and Hinrich are "Reinsdorf guys".

What makes Kirk expendable is Derrick Rose. I have a hard time seeing Jerry all of a sudden forcing a trade of Deng for financial reasons when he purposely overpaid Deng this summer becuase he liked the guy.

B-Roy · Jan 30, 2009

MARIS61 said: ↑

Raef for Deng.

The rest of the deal is ridiculous.

Bake it.
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*edited: No personal attacks*

The rest of your posts are ridiculous.

Bake it.

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