Really? I thought he had 4 years left since it was mentioned earlier in the thread. If not, pull the trigger NOW!
He doesn't help us defend against Kobe or LeBron much better, but at least those guys would have to work on the defensive end. You hardly have to guard Batum, and Outlaw is pretty easy to stop (stay in front of him, stick a hand in his face when he inevitably takes a jumper). Put Vince Carter out there with Roy, Aldridge and Oden, and I don't care if you are an elite swing man, you are going to have to work your ass off. I like this deal. In a couple of years when his deal is expiring, you try to parlay his contract into another overpaid aging star looking for a ring.
Kind of reminds me of the deal Miami did for Shaq. It got them a championship, but boy did they pay for it. Still, I'm happy for Paul Allen to pay that price.
An obstacle in what way? One doesn't want to fall into a cycle of overpayment, but when one is over the cap, it really doesn't matter how much. Whether one is $1 over or $20 million over, you can't use the free agent market (except with the MLE). One thing to consider is that while the team will be over the cap either way, when Carter is an expiring contract, he may be a tradeable asset that the team can use to improve. I think Carter is likely to be a very good player for the next 2-3 years and at least an average player for the rest of the deal. So that means the team may be overpaying him (quite a bit) for 1-2 years, but he won't ever be useless and in his last year, he'll actually be a tradeable asset. I think that's a pretty good proposition...1-2 years of overpayment for an average player isn't too bad a cost for improving the team a lot this year and the next 2-3 seasons (and getting a tradeable expiring deal down the line).
An obstacle as in having a player under contract at a large amount of money who isn't productive. 2 years >> 4 years IMO. Mook brought up Shaq, which is a fairly accurate comparison to my view in terms of a monetary value argument. Still, as I posted earlier, if it is 2 years, or even a third being a team option, I'd make that deal immediately, and I'd think long and hard on a guaranteed 4 year Carter before saying no (depending on what is going out on the Blazer side with RLEC).
this year and two more at 16.3 and 17.3 million, with a team option for 2011/2012 for 18 million. and his contract will be a big expiring then, and can help us net another nice player.
Yeah, when I wrote that post, I thought his contract was for 4 years after this season. Apparently it isn't.
I don't think Quick ever has inside scoop, but if there is any smoke to his trade rumor, I think it is NJ. I think that NJ would do anything to get rid of Carter's contract and get in the LJ sweepstates. I think they would include Harris to get rid of Carter and they would want Bayless in return along with Raef and filler. That is a lot of money for Paul.
It makes sense to me, maybe they'd save enough to go through with the Brooklyn move... Vince and Harris for Raef, Bayless, Outlaw I think we would be championship contendors...
New Jersey throwing in a young star point guard to get rid of their not-overpaid star shooting guard? I agree with Ed. Save LaFrentz and Outlaw for acquiring LeBron James.
haha.. wow.. we'd be ripping them off big time. I don't even know they'd do Raef/Bayless/Outlaw for Harris alone salary-matching aside. Harris is a stud.
They can't get anyone to come to their games though and Ratner (primary owner) has lost like 75% of his worth this year. This could propel them to their brooklyn move and Lebron could form his team from scratch really. They'd have the marketing of NY's trendiest borough, a large Chinese fanbase (yi), a scoring partner (Bayless) and some very high draft picks to go along with the whole thing. If NJ likes Outlaw as much as rumored and thinks Bayless will turn out good they think about it (IMO).
I'd do it in a heartbeat, but I think LeBron would like a running partner if he were to go to NJ and Harris is their only young stud. Yi won't help bring in LeBron, Jerryd is still unproven to this point, and Travis ... well, he's a good bench guy to have. And you add in Vince to us in the deal... that'd just be unfair... IMO.
After looking it over we would have to include around 22-23 million. So we would have to send half our team. Which we would not do. But If they wanted to fill seats, I am sure the Spanish Armanda would be of interest. (Based on the Rudy fans at the game) Rudy, Sergio, Raef, our #1. Ike and Frye would work. But I am not a Carter fan.
Getting Devin Harris, after this break-out, would take one of the Big Three. Or, at least, Rudy, Bayless AND Batum. Either another impact player or numerous very good prospects. One good prospect, a draft pick, cap space and garbage won't do it. And that's for Harris alone. Vince Carter is an asset, not a liability. Portland wouldn't be doing New Jersey any favours taking Carter off their hands...Carter would require value back in return. If Portland had Harris, most of you would calling him untouchable. He's been fantastic, he's young and he plays a key position.
Opinions on Carter certainly vary to the extreme. He seems selfish to me. But I have no facts to back that up.
