Blake out longer (Utah, NO)

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Or they could keep sucking and not make the playoffs at all.
     
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    I won't be surprised if he comes back February 8th. He might travel with the team on this 3 game road trip but thats about it.
     
  3. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Worse in what way? Worse in that we see less of Bayless?
     
  4. Natebishop3

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    1. He is a sub-par defender.
    A) This gets our big men in foul trouble.
    B) This allows most teams point guards to put up big numbers on us.

    2. He can't make a decent entry pass.
    A) This is a serious problem because we need a point guard who can get Oden the ball.

    That's just off the top of my head.
     
  5. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Sergio does all of this, but worse since he also can't make a shot.

    So again, how is Blake hurting this team?
     
  6. Reep

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    IMHO

    Defenders: Bayless>Blake>>Sergio
    Entry Pass (Batum, Rudy, etc)>Blake>Bayless=Sergio

    Blake may not be a star, but he is a great fit on this team. He doesn't ball dominate like Sergio, but can start the offense efficiently. He hits the three at a great rate, and can really step up to be a major scorer. He also defends adequately (less fouls than Bayless, much better than Sergio). I can't wait to have him back.
     
  7. MrJayremmie

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    SUcks, but Bayless is coming along nicely. Kinda reminding me of how Stuckey came on in his rookie year... didn't play early in the year (but his was due to injury) and then started coming off the bench and making an impact. They have pretty similar games as well.
     
  8. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I think you're absolutely correct ... and I really wanted to see if we could pry Stuckey away from Dumars without having to sacrifice Roy, LMA or Oden (which is reportedly what he was asking for when he and Billups's names were thrown around last summer).
     
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    My biggest fear tonight is that because Bayless does not back down he will pick up quick fouls. Jerry Sloan's teams may all play hard, but they also cry and flop just as hard. Williams will initiate contact, and I am pretty sure the calls won't be going the rookie's way. It would have been nice to have Blake available.
     
  10. Natebishop3

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    How is that a counter argument? Just because Sergio does it also, doesn't mean Blake hurts the team less.

    Also, Sergio can actually pass the basketball. Blake can not. I'm not defending Serg, but at least he has that gold star. Blake is just a good shooter. He has gotten by with good shooting and good decision making, but he isn't really a point guard.
     
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    LOL. I can't believe some people here still support blake.... anyways:

    Blake, 95% of the time, dribbles down the court, stops at the three point line, and dumps it off to either Brandon or LaMarcus.

    After he does that, he just stands around at the 3-point line, waiting till either someone else scores or his man leaves him to double and he can be a spot-up three point shooter.

    He doesn't penetrate.

    He doesn't drive and dish.

    He can't create his own shot, and other teams know this. The only way Blake scores is from open threes.

    Also, he sucks at defense. He's slow.

    The only time he helps this team is by hitting open threes. Dumping it off to brandon is not something that helps us.

    It's laughable that anyone would rather see blake out there than letting Jerryd or Sergio develop.

    I hate steve blake this year almost as much as I hated Jarrett Jack last year.

    In each of their own ways, they slowed down the offense of the team and disrupted the rhythm.

    I say fuck steve blake! Who's with me????
     
  12. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    We've been through this argument numerous times, but we DON'T need a ball dominating guard (especially not one as bad as Sergio) next to Brandon Roy. Blake and his skills is just what the doctor ordered for this particular Portland team. Blake's passing may not be as flashy as Sergio's, but it is more than adequate.

    We've seen Sergio/Roy lineups before have we not? Yet every time we play this lineup, ROY ends up with the ball in his hands. So tell me, how can we harness the power of Sergio's awesome passing skills when he won't get the ball with our best player on the floor? His ability to play off the ball does not exist, and that's something we're going to need.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    I support Blake over Sergio.
    How many times have we seen Sergio dribble out the clock and then force up a terrible shot?

    And this has worked wonders, no?

    No, but he and Sergio penetrate at about the same rate. (No Homo)
    Yes he does. Not a lot, but about the same rate as Sergio. (No Homo, again)

    Sergio can't either.
    Plus, he doesn't need to. Roy does.

    Not as bad as Sergio.

    Those threes keep us afloat most games.

    I support Jerryd over Blake, but not Sergio.

    Ouch, that will demoralize a player.

    As does Sergio.
    Me.
     
  14. Natebishop3

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    What the hell are you talking about? My two major arguments against him are his defense and his inability to make the entry pass to OUR BIG MEN. Where did I say we needed a point guard who could dominate the ball? Blake is one-dimensional. That's not what the "doctor ordered" for this team. We need a point guard who can defend, score, and make the entry pass to our bigs. Blake can do.... none of that. He can do one thing......... shoot. If that's what you think this team needs, so be it, but I think we need a little bit more from our point guard to be successful.

    Why do you keep bringing up Sergio? Who here is advocating Sergio (besides Maris)? Sergio being inadequate doesn't make Blake any less adequate.
     
  15. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    That's fine and dandy, but who do you propose should start in his place? Sergio? He can't make an entry pass either. Neither can Bayless at this point. Ultimately, Blake is the best option for this team until Bayless pans out or we trade for another PG.

    Because he and Bayless are the only other options at this point. I like Blake for what he is, and unless you are a supporter of trading for another PG, I'd like to know who you would want to play in Blake's place right now.
     
  16. Natebishop3

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    This debate was never about whom should start... It was about whether Blake hurts the team, and he does.
     
  17. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    The original post I responded to was:

    Which I responded by saying it's not good news, because this team has no better options at this point.

    If I misinterpreted you, then sorry, but according to you, all of our PGs are hurting the team.
     
  18. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    You said...

    And

    And

    You never responded with "the team has no better options at this point."

    You said that Blake wasn't hurting the team. I refuted it. Period.
     

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