I would only trade Outlaw if we got a backup PF to take his place. No way do I want to see Frye getting rotation minutes.
What would we do without Zach Randolph? How will this team compete w\o Rasheed Wallace? Other players step up.....it frees more time for Webster, or Batum....and the assumption here is that Outlaw would likely only be dealt if another SF was coming back like a Caron Butler (MUCH better), Richard Jefferson (better), Marvin Williams (YES, he is better)....
Of course Rooks have issues getting calls, but checking the stats Martell went to the line about twice as much per minute last year as much as Nic is this. Both get there hardly ever. I'd rate both as pretty bad at this. is there anything else that Martell does as good or better then Batum? STOMP
I want to keep Outlaw, and I made a promise during the NJ game when he hit that shot that if he made it i will always love him forever... so GO OUTLAW! He also gives us a good option because he can play 2 positions off the bench, which helps our team cut the rotation down to 9 people, which is better imo.
I don't agree with you there. Maxiell is a beast. The thing you don't mention in Detroit is Michael Curry, the head coach. Who happens to be on a 4 game losing skid, and who is getting close to losing the team if he hasn't already. The thing is, Maxiell is in Curry's "Dog House". I have to imagine if you were playing well, starting, and the team re-signed McDyess and started giving him all your minutes when you had been producing pretty well, you would be pissed at your coach too. The sitting on the bench isn't due to his play. It's due to Michael Curry is not a good head coach.
We disagree on Maxiell's effectiveness, as his numbers this year under Curry mirror his career averages under Flip Saunders, but Maxiell has also said that he is going to test the free agent market this summer as an RFA. Why trade for a guy who may be able to get a larger contract from another team in the off-season?
Maxiel signed an extension this offseason, he's under contract through the 2012/2013 season. I think it was for about the same as Martell's deal.
My bad. I see that now. My info was from 10/18, and he signed the extension on 10/31. I still don't want him at this point.
A lot of players off of the bench are capable of rebounding and playing good defense on a consistent basis. I don't think you really believe Outlaw has a normal amount of ups and downs for a non-starter. It seems to me he has a lot more variance in his play than most NBA players. There's actually too much of a positive focus, IMO. Look at the title of this thread. What role player in the NBA is "unexpendable"? Ed O.
IMO, Travis has been so instrumental in the team's success this season that I would like to see the team head into the Playoffs with him aboard. Let's see what limitations or strengths will surface in a series. Unless we're getting a huge upgrade at the small forward or point guard position, there's no way we're trading him.
In my eyes, for a non-starter in the NBA, he has an abnormal amount of ups compared to downs, especially in the 4th quarter of close games. I don't think any player outside of LeBron James and Kobe Bryant are "unexpendable", so I was commenting more on the responses in the thread instead of the title. I posted last week that I would include Outlaw in the package for Hinrich/Deng if that is what it took to finalize a deal.
Here is how I see it with Travis. There are some games where he is a matchup nightmare for certain teams and players. There are certain games where he is an easy cover for the opposition, because they have an athletic player who has scouted him. Last night was one of those games where he could look over at Peja and his eyes would light up. The main thing being, he is a piece that Nate can use against certain matchups to give Portland an advantage in the coaching chess match. That is why sometimes he has good games, and sometimes he does not.
Just because the numbers match does not mean he is not better than before. It is a matter of watching Jason Maxiell over the years, and knowing if he has improved or not from what you see on the court. I have seen Jason Maxxiell play each of his years in the league, usually catching several pistons games a year on the tube. He is a much better player now than he was years ago. He is also what you need in a power forward. He is physical, athletic, shoots a very high percentage due to his work in the paint, he collects the garbage. His shooting percentage has increased every year he has been in the league. He has learned from some of the best in the league for defense. IMO he is more like a Paul Milsap who has never got the benefit of the doubt from the coach.
Some people are afraid of people disagreeing with them, so they post generic insults and block users. I don't mind people disagreeing with me, so I am directing this to you, Nate. Flame away, big guy.
Fair enough, but he is still undersized and he still have a very limited game. I've also seen nothing close to the outside game that Milsap has from Maxiell, so I'm not sure that's a spot-on comparison.
I'd still leap at Trout+Raef for Vince Carter or Gerald Wallace (injured and all). And Trout's recent play makes him more valuable, which is good! iWatas
If VC really only has 2 years left on his contract with a 3rd year being a team option I'd likely now do that deal, and it's a definite yes for me on the latter.
