Some things need to be cleared up on this board about Overrated players. How is a guy who arguably is the only true scorer on his team, and he still scores, the most overrated player? Not one player in the entire league could be replaced for Kobe and the Lakers have the same number of wins. And in regards to him V Jordan, can we please stop that. They played in different eras, with different talent levels, and with different rules. We dont compare Shaq and Wilt, we shouldnt compare Kobe and Michael. In regards to most overrated players, Kenyon Martin comes to mind right away, as does Yao Ming. Both of those players rely on physical talents (KMart being athletic and Yao being 7-6). KMart has never had a post up move and Yao plays against softies, I mean has he gotten any better than when he was a rookie?? Not much improvement on that regard. Also, in the overrated group, one must include any player playing G for the Knicks. Every single one of those players is selfish, shoots a low percentage, cannot make good decisions on a night in/night out basis, knows Defense as well as they know Quantum Physics, and there best statistical years are either behind them or were done on terrible teams. In fact, every player on the Knicks is overrated when you think about Channing Fyre and Eddie Curry. Its hard to imagine being seven feet tall and being afraid to do something when you are the tallest person. The Knicks would be best suited if they socured NYC for players in YMCA or parks and had them scrimmage the team, so they could learn what its like to not be able to rely on talent.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 4 2006, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Whoa dude, calm down. Whats up with you? Anyway, I would rather have Brad Miller and Camby then Yao, Yao can score in the post but Brad and Marcus or tough inside presences when Yao is too timid. And this happened when Shaq was still on the Lakers too.</div>Yao wasn't the leading vote getter with Shaq in. He beat Shaq- but that's because Shaq does have alot of haters (and playing in LA doesnt help). Yao is just the best option not named Shaq.You would rather have Brad Miller or Camby over Yao??Read the sad truth: YOU ARE A HATER!-Yao gets more points on a better percentage than both of them-Yao has a better defensive +/- (with his backup being one of the all-time defensive greats) than both of them, and is a better shotblocker than Brad.-Yao is a better rebounder than Brad, and only 2 rebounds seperated from CambyNOBODY CAN OBJECTIVELY SAY CAMBY/BRAD IS BETTER THAN YAO.
I would rather have someone tough and intimidating at Center instead of a guy that scores alot. Just my opinion...
Then I guess you don't like Mehmet Okur, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Jamaal Magloire? Their are not many intimidating centers in the league.
I like Jamal Magloire. I think he is a tough center but no, I prefer the physical guys more then the finesse players. Just my opinion, so can you just back off, BCB?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 5 2006, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I like Jamal Magloire. I think he is a tough center but no, I prefer the physical guys more then the finesse players. Just my opinion, so can you just back off, BCB?</div>Then why do you like Chris Bosh so much.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ilovebball @ Mar 5 2006, 05:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yao wasn't the leading vote getter with Shaq in. He beat Shaq- but that's because Shaq does have alot of haters (and playing in LA doesnt help). Yao is just the best option not named Shaq.You would rather have Brad Miller or Camby over Yao??Read the sad truth: YOU ARE A HATER!-Yao gets more points on a better percentage than both of them-Yao has a better defensive +/- (with his backup being one of the all-time defensive greats) than both of them, and is a better shotblocker than Brad.-Yao is a better rebounder than Brad, and only 2 rebounds seperated from CambyNOBODY CAN OBJECTIVELY SAY CAMBY/BRAD IS BETTER THAN YAO.</div>Your really putting up blocking stats to show that Yao is a better defender then camby? Yao is a terrible defender, one of the softest defenders i've ever seen, and if a 7'6 player does get more blocks then a 6,10 player i'd think something was wrong, not that he's a better defender. Yao is one of the weakest man defenders i've ever seen, and constantly is taken to the hole, add that with low stamina and injury proneness, and a being an average rebounder, he's nothing more then a post player.And yao is not as good as Camby, Camby is a good offensive player, with amazing defensive abilities,and much better rebounder and more consistent.As far as Miller goes his completeness makes him more valuable, although as far as pure C's go Yao may be better, but i'd much rather have a big man who isnt injury prone, cant shoot 3's,rebound, and make plays. Yao is not as great as your making him out to be, he should be an allstar but no way in hell should he get more votes then a guy who just dropped 81 points like it was nothing.
I find Andre Iguodala overrated, especially when I see him on TNT. Im sick and tired of the Scottie Pippen comparisons. The guy cant stop anyone on defense and he cant score in the half court.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (anypoint @ Mar 5 2006, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I find Andre Iguodala overrated, especially when I see him on TNT. Im sick and tired of the Scottie Pippen comparisons. The guy cant stop anyone on defense and he cant score in the half court.</div>Can't stop anyone on defense? You're kidding, right?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Mar 5 2006, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Can't stop anyone on defense? You're kidding, right?</div>I havent found him that amazing defensively too, he's very overrated. He's an above average defender but not anywhere near as good defensively as he's made out to be and terrible offensively.
I agree with the Iggy post too. He gets overrated because he is great at getting the crowd going and putting home some dunks. Otherwise, he is not that great of a player but he gets put out to be an all star because all of his highflying manuevers and such. He is working on his jumper but he still doesnt have a great shot. He reminds me of a young Ricky Davis. I think he has the potential to turn out to be Ricky Davis but he is definately not where people say he is, yet.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 5 2006, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with the Iggy post too. He gets overrated because he is great at getting the crowd going and putting home some dunks. Otherwise, he is not that great of a player but he gets put out to be an all star because all of his highflying manuevers and such. He is working on his jumper but he still doesnt have a great shot. He reminds me of a young Ricky Davis. I think he has the potential to turn out to be Ricky Davis but he is definately not where people say he is, yet.</div>I dont find that comparison similar. Ricky is and never was even a decent defender, always a highflyer though. iggy reminds me of a very young and more athletic poor mans AK47.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Mar 5 2006, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Then why do you like Chris Bosh so much.</div>Chris isn't a center. And I like how he can shoot and then go inside and be tough on the boards and putbacks. And plus he is the star player on our team and is only 22 to answer your question. For a center, I like Hardnosed guys.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Mar 5 2006, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont find that comparison similar. Ricky is and never was even a decent defender, always a highflyer though. iggy reminds me of a very young and more athletic poor mans AK47.</div>Are you kidding? Is Ak-47 a highflyer? Does he play guard? Can Iggy block 3 shots a game? Or get close to 10 boards a game? That is a bad comparison.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 5 2006, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you kidding? Is Ak-47 a highflyer? Does he play guard? Can Iggy block 3 shots a game? Or get close to 10 boards a game? That is a bad comparison.</div>I wasnt taking statistics into account, but more of great defense, inconsistent offense.
The only thing they have in commen is being a good defender. Ricky i an ok defender. I think my comparison was better then yours.
Both the Ricky comparison and the AK comparison were horrible.-Ricky had a jumpshot when he came into the league. He was not known as a defender, he just recently started putting alot of effort on the defensive end.-AK is even worse. AK is a shotblocker. Iggy is a lick-down type of defender, who is extremely athletic. AK is freaking slow.Iguodala isn't really comparable to alot of today's players. I'll think of someone, but i'm drawing blanks right now.
hmm..no. I remember watching Ricky with the Cavs and he wasn't a good shooter. He got most of his points on driving. Similar to Iguodala. I am not the greatest at comparisons but I think the two are similar in some ways.
