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  1. Rellogg

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    You don't think that thing Hinrich does where he dribbles around relentlessly like a chicken with his head cut off doesn't hinder ball movement?
     
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    He does that a lot less than BG does these days. But yes, in general the dribbling hinders the offense. But this year BG is the biggest offender by far.
     
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    Ben Gordon passes the ball quickly quite often. The only time when he doesn't pass it quickly (or take a shot quickly) is when he is going one on one, which has becoming less often as the year's worn on.

    That's the difference between Gordon and Hinrich, and even Rose and Hinrich. When Rose and Gordon dribble around, they dribble with a purpose. Hinrich? He just seems to dribble around because he likes dribbling. He has no idea what he's going to do with his dribble. Hinrich kind of plays like a college point guard, where they can just dribble and dribble because the shotclocks so long, that somethings bound to develop in those 35 seconds.
     
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    Bulls front court had no answer for Yao, and for whatever reason Scola kills the Bulls everytime he plays us. A sobering reminder of how far away the Bulls really are from being a conference title contender.

    Deng was once again the best Bulls player on the court.

    Rose was solid in not turning the ball over and making good decisions finding his teammates, but his giant killer wasn't faling against Yao like it did just a few days ago against the Diesel. Rose needs to start hitting some threes, it make scoring so much easier for him.

    I thought Gordon had his streaky shooting moments, but there were also those times where I thought he was being extremely selfish and just jacked up some bad shots. You can just tel when he has his mind made up that he is goiung to shoot it no matter what (Usually resulting in a ugly forced shot/turnover)

    I liked Tyrus energy today. Thought he played smarter defense, a solid game for him.

    Noah played tough, but His height and lack of bulk was overpowered by Ming.

    Noc is a dumbass. There was a play where the Rockets were trying to get the ball across the half court line to cal a timeout because the Bulls had some momentum going. What does Noc do? Make a dumb ass reach in which was a clear foul. THis from a veteran.

    Thabo continued with some solid play. I hate hisjumpshot, but at least he brings other intangibles that I'd take at sf any day over noc.

    Overall, I thought the Bulls didn't play terrible, but a little disheartening in knowing that Bulls are going to struggle just to make the playoffs.
     
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    Again, so far off. How often do you see Kirk drive left or right and pull and throw the ball away like BG does? Kirk runs the pick and roll infinitely better than BG. And BG played the most minutes of the guards tonight and ended up with 1 assist. Thankfully, he didn't have any TO's, which a big improvement that I would like to acknowledge.

    You know what, why don't you tell us what BG's TS% is since Kirk's been back. It's lower than Kirk's, isn't it, which is why you haven't mentioned it. That'll give you your answer for why Vinnie didn't bring BG back any earlier.
     
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    Well...that's why you don't guess, because you're wrong.

    Since Kirk's come back:

    Ben Gordon - 53.03%
    Kirk Hinrich - 52.08%

    There's where the problem lies. Kirk Hinrich comes back, messes with Gordon's role, shaking up Gordon, lessening Gordon's output. Kirk knocked Gordon from an elite efficiency, down to average...but here's the problem, Kirk's scoring at a slightly below adequate scoring efficiency himself.

    So messing with an elite efficiency scorer's role, to make room for an inefficient scorer isn't a very good idea.

    Coaches will never get it through there head, that with Rose and Gordon on the team, all Hinrich can be is a bench player. Not a sixth man, but a bench player. Since the coaches aren't willing to put Hinrich in his proper role on this team, Hinrich needs to be traded for the good of the team.
     
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    Derrick Rose - 48.2%

    That can't be good for the team either....
     
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    bulls still need some post up players..................Rose was off 2nite, Heinrich needs to be taken to a field and executed.....Tyrus Thomas and Deng looked good 2nite though...........
     
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    This is a game where something like a trade of Kirk+Tyrus for Amare would have really helped us. Amare, even though he's somewhat justifiably called a crappy defender, would at least have stayed in the game and forced Yao or Scola to work.

    The guy who really killed us tonight was Noah, who utterly and completely failed defending Yao.
     
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    So they are basically the same. Add in BG's defensive deficiencies and ball handling problems and Kirk's superior defense and ability to take care of the ball and run the offense and it's shocking that BG played 33 minutes to Kirk's 20 last night. Waiting around for BG to go on one of his runs is a recipe for defeat because they usually come after the game is decided.
     
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    If Noah would figure out that you can't put two hands on a guy, he'd have been a lot more effective. Yao actually got two quick fouls last night, which was a big reason they climbed back in it in the first.
     
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    That first quarter was some seriously ugly basketball.
     
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    Exactly why he is not a starter. He should never get more then 25 minutes on a NBA team. When he gets traded to another team he will find this out. This is also why nobody wanted Ben last year. He's not only 1 sided but very streaky.
     
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    Miami, New Orleans, Phoenix, and New York were all interested in Gordon. None of them had cap space though.

    Miami reportedly, according to Yahoo Sports, agreed on a trade in principle of Marion for Gordon, but the Bulls weren't interested, and the Knicks agreed to send Stephon Marbury over for Ben Gordon, but the Bulls weren't interested.

    To say that no team was interested is misguided. No team with cap space was interested, and that puts him in the same boat as Luol Deng.
     
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    Not according to KC Johnson who has said that no one wanted him. Even now only 3 or 4 teams want him.
     

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