Would someone explain to me why Oden was so ineffective tonight?

But why did he used to get blocked shots and now doesn't? And why is our defense designed so that Greg can't block shots? That was supposed to be one of his strengths!

 

This is an interesting point. There is a poster on realgm who is a New Orleans fan who is an objective Greg Oden fan. He went to the New Orleans game and came back and gave us a report. He said he was befuddled at our using of Greg Oden (not establishing him in the post, completely missing him when he was wide open, etc) and also at our coaches. He said when Greg would get pulled the most he would get was maybe a slight pat on the butt. None of the assistants go over to him and talk to him to try to teach him during the game to point out how he should be adjusting. We have three assistant coaches and not one is going over to help him adjust during the game or point things out to him?

Perhaps with Bill Bayno back Greg will get some individual help in practice.

 

also- answer this- How come Joel gets 3 blocked shots tonight but Greg doesn't? They're playing the same system, right?

 

At the start of the year he was allowed to go over on weak-side defense help. One of my buddies started noticing that after that first week or two back Greg started to look hesitant about going over and actually seemed to be stopping himself - as if he has been coached not to do that right now.

This has been a problem with me for pretty much the whole year. We're switching on pick and rolls and leaving Greg out on the perimeter helping take away two of his strengths (in addition to highlighting his still recovering quickness and rookieness) which are of course rebounding and blocking.

 

Yea, it's ridiculous.

 

I only saw one of Joel's blocks - that was the monster block on the Bass attempted throw down. Greg could have made that block too as it was right in the paint. The question is whether he'd get the same respect as Joel got and let it be a block or if he'd get a phantom whistle (he does get fouls for things other players get away with which I guess is the tough life of rookies). Greg has blocked shots like that before.

I did not see Joel's other two blocks.

 

What do you think Greg's ceiling is? What can we ultimately expect?

 

Depends on who the coach is. A coach who can effectively utilize a big man in addition to teaching his players how to pass him the ball in the post? 20-24 with 12-14 rebounds on 55-57% shooting and some assists (this depends on if we have cutters). It would take a couple years but he'd get there.

With a coach like Nate? 15-11.

 

Props for this. You wouldn't believe how many knuckleheaded blazer fans there are in oregon. All they do is bitch and moan about the team and never sit back and enjoy what is in front of their face.

 

what a load of horseshit. stop focusing on rebounds per game and look at rebound rate, furthermore PER actually means a helluva lot more than simple per game stats, especially when we're talking about a player that is mostly facing frontline talent and not just bench players.

I'm tempted to write "learn the game, then post" or "checkmate" ... but I'm too mature for that ...

 

rebound rate just tells you the percentage of rebounds the player gets when they are on the floor. it says that when oden is on the floor, he's one of the 10 best rebounders in the league. i don't understand what you find wrong with that stat.

and it's possible that oden looks worse in your mind because the guy who generally replaces him(joel) leads the league in rebound rate. so while not as good as his replacement at rebounding, oden still has been a very good rebounder this year.

 

Can we merge this thread with the other train-wreck thread about Oden, our other BP poster made?

 

At least combine these two fucking threads about Oden. I already posted my thoughts in the other thread and I'm not going to post it again. I have more but it isn't worth my time because it seems the people that post this stuff would never learn anyway. What the fuck is wrong with some of you idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Man.. calm the F down people. Greg is going to be fine. No one's going to trade him, this team would look even more stupid if they sent him to the D league.
The key is not getting too low on his bad games, and not getting too high when he goes for double doubles, which he leads the team in this season btw.
It's just part of the growing pains.

 

This is much more a problem with using PER as a comparative tool than it is with Dwight Howard's game.

 

The sky's the limit for him. Just like every other young guy we've got, consistency is one of the big issues right now. I fully expect G.O. to be a force in this league over the next decade, hopefully fans don't start driving him out of town.

These things such as continuing to call him a bust all the time don't help. The guy knows the perception of him out there. G.O. is not an idiot oblivious to the internet or friends who probably read the internet, just like Travis made the assertion that he thinks a lot of Blazer fans hate him.

 

I think by the 2nd half of next year, Greg will be averaging about 17 and 12, which is really nice.

 

I've never called Oden a bust and it's obvious he has a great future, but I get a bit frustrated when tiny players like JJ Barrea end up with 1 less rebound than Oden in 7 less minutes of playing time. Someone on the team needs to light a fire under Oden, get in his face, do SOMETHING to get him at least active and motivated every night.

 

please merge these god damned threads.

 

Something that bothers me, we tend compare the stats of another player to Oden when he only has the first-half of his rookie season to compare to other players full season stats. Doesn't that seem a little odd???? Did the other player not improve during his first season at all?

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