Zombie Rush the Stimulus Package...don't read it, just pass it!

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  1. maxiep

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    Not sure how you mean that, but I'd say appealing to the public is the first thing he needs to do. If the public isn't sold (and at the moment from what I read it really isn't sold) then he won't have support in the senate. If on the other hand the public decides that it does want the package, then he'll have a relatively easy time lining up the votes.

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    Chicken and egg. Clearly by going to the public this late, he hasn't had an easy time lining up the votes.
     
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    Using words like "catastrophe" and comparisons to the Great Depression. Isn't Obama the same guy who said that the politics of fear are over? What did that last, two weeks?

    I've never seen a President with a self-professed mandate not be able to pass a bill with his party controlling both sides of Congress.
     
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    He has the votes, or at least he should. I heard on the radio a few minutes ago, however, that 7 or 8 Senate Dems are getting cold feet on this thing. Obama is burning up a lot of political capital right now. If his bill isn't passed by a Dem Congress, he may be on the path to irrelevancy in terms of setting a domestic agenda.
     
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    He's gone from "Hope" and "Change" to "I hope I can change people's minds on this bill".
     
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    I kinda wonder why Obama doesn't go on TV and pitch the thing directly to the people. The networks will give him all the time he wants, they love him.

    Then I kinda figured out why. The republicans would get to respond.
     
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    Not on MSNBC.
     
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    Some really bright minds are starting to come out against the pork package.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticke...ster"?tickers=^dji,^gspc,QQQQ,SPY,DIA,TLT,UDN

    http://finance.yahoo.com/video_ifra...ulus Bill Will Lead to "Unmitigated Disaster"
     
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    schiff is the man.
     
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    The real cause of this recession is that Americans are in too much debt and have lived beyond their means for too long. I don't understand those who argue that the solution is to put Americans in more debt.

    There is going to be a natural hangover while Americans pay off their excesses--credit cards, mortgages, etc. It means a broad-based recession, and a necessary one. There are some things government can't fix, nor should they try.
     
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    I agree. You just have to ride the cycle. There has to be changes with the american attitude towards borrowing money, credit, etc.
     
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    This extends to the government, who is borrowing and overspending as well. On all levels.
     
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    On another note: Obama seems growingly frustrated each day. If you listen to him speak, there seems to be some stress in his voice/actions.

    "Come on man, pass it!"
     
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    Public support is melting away at his feet. I'd be frustrated as well, but when he blames the Bush administration for the debt he inherited, and then has a plan that according to the CBO will nearly double that debt, I have to wonder (and it appears many other Americans as well) why it is so urgent to pass this bill. I've posted it repeatedly, but they could get this to a vote in an hour, or at the very least force the GOP Senate to filibuster and then start hammering the GOP over the head with the "obstructionist" hammer.

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    So instead we are going to double that debt and quadruple the deficit!
     
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    well, give him a break, its his first leadership experience other than college yearbook.
     
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    More call to rush:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090206/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_economy

    the reason: as soon as its passed, its no longer criticized....ergo, obama is no longer criticized.
     
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    Does this guy understand that he could have the bill passed by simply having his own party vote for it?
     
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    Nope, he "led" his campaign, remember? That was his big leadership qualification.
     

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