I decided to make this over the debate in the Overrated Players thread. Debate. Who is the better player over all?I've got to give this to Marcus Camby. I know some people love Yao because he is a 20 and 10 guy but it is not a Center's job, primarily to score. The centers job is to stop players from getting to the basket. And overall Marcus is alot better at that then Yao. Before Marcus got injued he was in the running for MVP. Mainly because of his solid, fluid offense and the fact that he was having a monster defensive year. The guy is a tough post guy and he is a very intimidating player. He is averaging a monster 3.18 bpg to go along with 12 rpg. Yao is a much more timid player, for his height he should be able to grab more then 10 boards a game and block more then 1 shot a game. But he is very passive on defense. Yes, Yao is the better offensive player but not by much. Camby has developed a jumper this year that he can hit accurately. But he has to get alot of his points off offensive rebounds. Because let's face it, Camby is the 4th option, trailing a huge offense for looks and opportunities. Yao has been the 2nd option but gets the ball alot since it is basically him and Tmac and sometimes Swift on offense. He has a soft touch, good footwork and he has a decent shot. That is great but that does not mean he is a better Center then Camby. Because Camby is far ahead of Yao on the defensive end and he is not far behind offensively. Personally I would rather have Camby on the Raps because we already have Chris Bosh and Mike James, Mo Pete. We already have a good offense. Right now, we need a defensive stopper not more offense.Who would yout take and why? And also who is the better player at Center?
I'll take Camby for now. He is tough inside, although Yao is clearly more talented. Actually, it kind of depends on what you're looking for. If you want to start a franchise, I'd pick Yao over Camby, bc he's young, more durable, and better offensively. Camby is for the most part a role player, and Yao has franchise player potential.
If I wanted a C who can score and rebound 7-10 rebounds i'll take Yao.If I already have a scorer and just need defense and toughness I'll take Camby.But I would rather have someone who can develop on defense and can score(Yao).People already seen how he bulked up in the off season. I see more of that in the future. If he can put that in use he'll be dominate but we'll have to see if he can put it to use.
Yao is a pretty good passer, he doesnt get a whole lot of credit for it, but for a big man he isnt bad (Not as good as Vlade or CWebb-back in the day) but still a good passer.Id take Yao, 7'5", over 300 pounds, young, and is continuing to develop. I agree with the fact that Camby is injury prone, but Yao has gotten injured from time to time in his short career, but there is much more upside to Yao's career that we havent seen yet, so i'll take Yao.
I didn't mean who would you start a franchise with. That is obvious. Camby is like 33. I meant who would you rather have on your team this year and also who you think is better.
As of now, I'd rather have Camby on my team. He can give you 10 PPG, finish at the rim, and is one of the best defensive centers in the league. He is capable of 3+ blocks per night along with 10+ rebounds. Yao on the other hand, while he gives you 20 points and 9 rebounds, is a pitiful inside defender. Plus he has absolutely horrible hands. Every Rockets game I see he drops some sort of pass that comes right at him. Add in Camby's consistency, and right now I'd take Camby
^Camby is averaging 14.2 ppg. He can give you more then just 10. And he is shooting at a good percentage. If he got some more looks he would be a 17 ppg guy. He has developed a good jumper this year.
Camby wins this one. Camby defines a Center because he is tough unlike Yao where he barely uses his body. Camby also gets better numbers overall. And Yao is just a offensive weapon even though he is tall he doesnt do as much as he should stopping Guards from driving the lane and getting a easy two.
Both of them have a 23% effciency rating...I'd give the edge to Yao because he's such a mismacth down low.
yao gives at least 5"-6" to his defender. you guys act like scoring is a bad thing or something? you all say he can score.. and he can put up 20-10.. and then you act like it's bad or something. okay 3 blocks. great. about 1 more than yao. that's 2 less points. and then you factor in how much more points yao averages.. around 6. camby stops 2 more points than yao but he doesn't put up as much as him, 6 to be exact. that adds up to four points, yao is four points better and 7 inches taller.yao is only going up, however camby's carreer is in a slow decline, even though the numbers don't say so, his age does.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (regularguy @ Mar 7 2006, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yao gives at least 5"-6" to his defender. you guys act like scoring is a bad thing or something? you all say he can score.. and he can put up 20-10.. and then you act like it's bad or something. okay 3 blocks. great. about 1 more than yao. that's 2 less points. and then you factor in how much more points yao averages.. around 6. camby stops 2 more points than yao but he doesn't put up as much as him, 6 to be exact. that adds up to four points, yao is four points better and 7 inches taller.yao is only going up, however camby's carreer is in a slow decline, even though the numbers don't say so, his age does.</div>Wow, I really didn't understand that. Can you repeat that without using Regularguy language?
This is another topic where Camby's injury prone ways alter the opinions of who is the better player. If you had to pick one, I think you pick Yao because he is younger, bigger, and hasnt been hampered by injuries like Camby has throughout his career. Having said that, I like Camby better as a player, I would just want him to be more consistent and stay healthy for a full season before commiting to him..
Definetly Camby. He's a lot better on defense and rebounding. His scoring is pretty good too. I'd pick Yao for my team because he's younger but if I had a choice on who to have for the rest of the season it would definetly be Camby.
Yao is definitely harder to guard and takes more attention though Camby is a good shotblocker and rebounder.
Yao ming.Better offensive player, Good defender.I've got to give this to Marcus Camby. I know some people love Yao because he is a 20 and 10 guy but it is not a Center's job, primarily to score. The centers job is to stop players from getting to the basket.edit: CB i've tried to be nice to you but you keep on saying stuff that you don't know. Houston last season let the least points in the paint. This season i believe there in the top 5. Nah but Yao is 7-6 and should be putting up 100-5-20. There's too many Yao haters on this board.
This shouldn't even be an arguement. Yao is just some tall,, pansy who gets in the all star game because of everybody in China voting on NBA.com. Sorry if I offended any of you, but it the truth. Marcus Camby is one of the top 5 defensive players in the game. Against the Pistons, where their center is Big Ben Wallace; former DPOY, he has <span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%"><u>20</span></u> rebounds and around 15 points. Enough said.
A tall pansy who plays center, plays good defense, gets you 20/10 shooting over 50%. He deserves all those all-star games.
I can see what both you guys are saying, Yao is also playing about 30 minutes a night, it would be more like 25, 12 (KG numbers) if he could sustain to play 38-40 minutes a game. But since he's so gigantic his body needs to rest a little bit more than people who are around 7 feet. I like the way Yao plays, he's a little soft but he does play great defense and where his softness lacks on the physical side of the game he makes up for it with his soft shooting touch. I like his game, he is unique. I can understand where people say he is overhyped...he does get a lot of attention.... but I mean he is a 7' 6'' Chinese player that can actually competitively play basketball in the NBA. It's definately easy marketing for the NBA and they take full advantage of it.
If Yao was American- then this thread wouldn't exist.There- I said it.I'm <Censored> tired of this debate- Yao is better, and it's not even close.Camby is a better shotblocker than Yao, and gets more rebounds and steals than Yao- BUT THAT DOESNT MAKE HIM A BETTER DEFENSIVE PLAYER THAN YAO.Yao has a better defensive +/-, AND the Rockets are a far superior defensive team than the Nuggets. Yao is a shotblocking/shotaltering force under the bucket (there is a reason they call him the Great Wall of China), he may "appear like" he is "standing around" but his impact is far greater- he anchors one of the best defenses in the game despite having horrible weakside help.Anyone who understands defense would tell you that Yao is a good defensive player- SportsCenter tells you guys differently.Yao is a much much better offensive player than Camby. He gets 7 more points on a higher shooting percentage. He has much better moves down low, and is pretty much automatic within 2 feet of the bucket.Yao has been single-handedly leading the Rockets back into playoff contention (now only 3 games out with 20 games left). Despite Tmac being in-and-out due to injuries (2 missed games, 1 in which he left early), Yao has led the Rockets to win 7 of the past 9 (including 4 in a row) averaging 36.8 MPG, 27.8 PPG (53.6% FG), 13.7 RPG, 2.3 BPGAs for the All-Star game- YAO GETS THE MOST VOTES BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST CENTER IN THE WESTHe isn't competing against Kobe or Duncan for votes-- he is competing against injury-prone Camby and overrated Brad Miller- players Yao is better than.THAT IS THE REASON HE LEADS ALL-STAR VOTING NOT China (I'm not from China- and I voted Yao at least twenty times).
