<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 6 2006, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ben Wallace is not a better defender than Marcus Camby, Ben Wallace is the most overrated defender in the NBA, everyone looks at his hustle and his rebounds and just assumes he's a good defender.</div>apparently overrated defenders get defensive player of the year twice and also get selected into the nba's all defensive team. wow i'm glad you said that he's an overrated defender. before sheed came to detroit he was guarding centers. the dude was so undersized and he held his own. ben wallace would make camby his <Censored> any day of the week.
When i do watch ben wallace he is good stealing the ball from players if u watch his technique of reaching... i do kind of same but i have shorter arms.. So i'd say he is not that overrated of a defender.The Fact that Camby gets hurt consistently makes me not want to pick him but, camby can shoot and score much better than wallace.The Last game between Denver and Detroit....hmmmmCamby out played Ben wallace in every stat. He can do so everytime healthy.I am going to stick with Camby, if he holds out the rest of this season and playoffs without getting injured.Note-Kenyon Martin outplayed rasheed but thats no competition due to R.Wallace offensive shooting and defensive blocking and stayin with his man. all day
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 6 2006, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ben Wallace got those DPY awards because of his rebounding and blocked shot numbers.</div>wow that's some good insight..............i'm sold that wallace is not a good defender now
Wallace is a good defender. I don't all ways agree with him getting the DPY award, I think there are better defenders in the league. But Ben can get in the passing lanes and steal the ball, what I mean is, he is pretty quick. He is a good low post defender. The only defense that he isn't so good at is really guarding on the premeter. He isn't the best at reach stepping and people can beat him off the dribble. But he is one of, if not the best in my opinion at low post defense in the league right now.The real problem is his offense. He sometimes has some nice post up moves, but then he loses the ball when he has to dribble it the rest of the way to the hoop. He doesn't get to 14 points very often (a total that Camby averages).Their stats except for points are very close this year. But like I said, as long as your team is set on the scoring and offense side of the ball, I would pick Ben over Camby, I think Ben is the better post defender.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Mar 6 2006, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wow that's some good insight..............i'm sold that wallace is not a good defender now </div> Well how do you want me to prove he isn't a good defender? I can't.
I know Camby can hit that mid range shot but if I were a Nuggets fan I wouldn't want him to be shooting that shot a lot. They both have their weaknesses on offense and neither should be a priority of that team to get them to score. Camby is a pretty good player but Wallace is quicker, stronger, and stays healthy like you said.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 6 2006, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well how do you want me to prove he isn't a good defender? I can't.</div>Just bring up a game you saw and what he did wrong, then tell why that makes him a bad defender.Just a quick example:Damon Jones is a bad defender, during the second Pacer's game, there was 5mins left in the 4th and Jones was in instead of Snow. The game was close, the Cavs were down by two for awhile. Jones was guarding Tinsely. Tinsely had 4 open jumpers in 3mins out of the 5, he hit 2 of him. He got 1 of those jumpers from creating a shot by making a move and getting past Damon, he got 2 others off a ball pick, and he got the fourth off a screen where he got the ball passed to him. in the last 2mins, Eric Snow went in, he shut down Tinsely who didn't shoot again except for one time (where it was contested and Tinsely missed).Damon could not guard Boykins in any of the Nugget games.Damon personally asked to be taken out of one of the games against the Bucks because he was mad about Ford, he couldn't guard him (and this was after complaining about not getting enough minutes).On a game against the Jazz, Jones gave Williams mainly open jumpers off of the same exact play (Williams would come off of a double pick on the weakside block. He would catch the ball at the foul line, where he shot open jumpers while Jones tried to scramble up to him). Jones was guarding a guard of the Jazz on the weakside block, the player made a move to the ballside block, Jones lost site of him during the move, the player recieved the pass and got an open layup, THE WHOLE THING HAPPEND INSIDE THE KEY! Jones can not guard any player that is even an above average dribbler, he can't guard the ball.There was a quick example of how you can prove why you think Ben is a bad defender.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 6 2006, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well how do you want me to prove he isn't a good defender? I can't.</div>you watch him play. it's not hard. don't say something you can't prove. it kinda defeats the whole purpose of saying it. :HAHAHA:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 6 2006, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What does Damon Jones have to do with Ben Wallace or Marcus Camby?</div>Lol, it has nothing to do with this debate. I was just giving BCB an example of how he could prove his statement about Ben not being a good defender.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 6 2006, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well how do you want me to prove he isn't a good defender? I can't.</div>So I told him to pick out a game or situation that he saw and explain why that makes him a bad defender, or what he did/does wrong and use the situation as proof.I used the Damon Jones thing as an example, just incase he asked how that would help or prove anything, or just incase he didn't get what I was saying. I am just trying to help out.
well this is how i'll break it down...Ben Wallace>Good<>among the strongest players in the league>VERY intimidating>Probably going to win his 4th or 5th DPOY>Probably among the top 5 on D all-time>consistant on D>effects the game without scoring>Bad<>almost terrible offensively>Free throws :thumbdn1: >Play is down this yearthere are so many other factors that you could throw into thisMarcus Camby>Good<>solid offensive game>pretty good defensively>underrated defensively because of Big Ben>can shoot the ball>Bad<>Injury prone>Not always consistant>skinny-not muscular like Ben is that is...^More that I cannot think ofBecause of his offensive game I would take Camby. His defense is pretty good so thats why i would take him. But because of his injury prone-ness.lol, i will take Ben.
Who'd i take. Ben wallace, Marcus camby is too injury prone.edit: Ben wallace is not top 5 defender of alltime. Not even top 10.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 6 2006, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If he's not a top ten defender then why and hell is he winning DPY awards?</div>i'm talkin all time. are you serious right now? in the game right now he is the best. there have been better defenders in the past. that's why he's not top 10.
