Nationalized Healthcare in the Stimulus Package????

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  1. AgentDrazenPetrovic

    AgentDrazenPetrovic Anyone But the Lakers

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    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    It's not even called the Stimulus bill anymore. It's now the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The Democrats have given up the ghost that this is anything but a big, wet, sloppy payoff to their supporters.
     
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    Wow. Way to link to an opinion column by a right-wing nutjob as some sort of fact.

    By the way, that "new bureaucracy" that McCaughey references in her opinion column is - in fact - not new. It was created by the Bush administration in 2004. And nowhere in the bill does it say that the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology will monitor doctors or treatments.

    McCaughey's goal was a scare tactic approach to snuggle up to her extremist right-wingers.

    Lame. I can't wait until these butthurt republicans stop whining about the election and trying to sabotage any attempt at progress.

    This is not a perfect bill. There's no way any kind of bill like this possibly could be.

    But don't try to pick holes in the thing by drastically misinterpreting provisions.

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    so we should just ignore them?
     
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    No, you should interpret them correctly.

    First suggestion - read the actual bill rather than an opinion column from someone with an agenda.

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    read 900 pages? or whatever? I'll just post what's on drudge, much easier!
     
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    whats the problem with free healthcare? im all for it. id rather feed and take care of the poor than occupy other countries. thats just me though, maybe some of you would rather occupy other countries than take care of people in need in our own country.
     
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    You can pick and choose the sections to read without reading the entire bill. They are conveniently separated and linked to here.

    That pretty much says it all about your credibility on these things.

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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    So, exactly what did the Democrats do in Congress when President Bush was in office? I believe they ran on the slogan, "Fuck America, The Party Is More Important"
     
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    Free healthcare would be sweet. However, someone has to pay for it. If you want fewer services at greater cost, you go on ahead.
     
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    Notice how its a paraphrase of what they think it says. That way it is easier to get their right wing hater cracks in, and make you think it does things it does not. Let me see what can we do...Lets make it look like this health plan is linked to a health gistapo and people will associate it with the Nazi party, that will make it fail!

    The goals of the legislation are actually to streamline our medical system in order to reduce costs. The office you mentioned, is to assure that insurance companies are not denying americans health care, not to control your life.

    Good try though. You might as well just start a new thread every day called "I hate Obama". Then followed by "I hate Obama 2" . Followed by "I hate Obama 3".
     
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    Nothing, but to think that nationalized healthcare is "free" is hilarious.
     
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    give me dat' healthcare!
     
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    Bush did enough to "Fuck America" with or without the Democrats' help.

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    Are you saying the Democrats put the country ahead of their own Party?
     
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    These kinds of comments crack me up. One must never criticize the policies of His High Holiness. To do so is to "hate" him. I don't hate President Obama. I think his policies are wrong, but he seems like an okay guy. If you want to see real hate, check the left's obsession with former President Bush. Now THAT's hate.
     
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    The Dems were definitely guilty of partisanship, but for the most part I believe they stood up against Bush because they didn't believe his policies were what was best for the country. And the majority of Americans agreed with them over the course of the final half of Bush's second term. So, in that respect, you could make a pretty strong argument that Congress was merely representing the will of the people.

    Right now, however, I don't think the Republicans in Congress are representing the will of the people. The majority of Americans support the stimulus bill, and I fully believe these Republicans view this economic package as Obama's first big move and they feel that if they can ruin it they'll torpedo his momentum and garner some support in the next congressional election cycle.

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    The Republicans are representing the will of everyone who doesn't think the best way to deal with an overleveraged population is to heap more debt on them. So far, the polls say the majority of the people are against this bill, so I would say the Republicans are representing the will of the people.
     

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