What would universal healthcare do to the Octa-mom?

If she was pregnant and drank a quart of whiskey, I would classify that in the same behavior as a mom giving her child whiskey. Irresponsible behavior. possibly criminal in my view. Pregnant moms who chug whiskey should be locked up.

 

if there was any real connection to what i think, maybe it might be relevant. but its not, so its moot.

 

so what if she didn't take her vitamins? are you supposed to take your vitamins?
the primary one you're supposed to take to prevent crib death I believe is folic acid and you can get that through eating food, as with most vitamins.

I mean, what do you mean, if she purposefully withheld eating any vitamins for some reason?

i'm not quite sure where you're going with this

 

Close... Let me attempt to improve the accuracy of your statement:

Look, if you leave shit alone, a baby is born. If you interfere a baby is not born.

What's hard to comprehend is equating abortion with murder. It's a huge stretch to say the least. It's fundamentalist propaganda. A fetus cannot live on its own, it is not an independent life. Pulling the plug on someone in a technology-dependent coma is technically closer to murder than an abortion is. But neither is close to the accepted definition of murder.

 

I have no doubt whatsoever that if the Jesus of the gospels were alive today in the USA he would be in prison. None at all.

 

Its the pre-meditated termination of life. You are actively ensuring that life does not continue. I would personally define that as murder or killing of a life.

To me, it doesn't matter if a fetus cannot live on its own. If you let science take its course, the fetus continues to develop and live into an independent life. By killing the fetus, you are killing that person.

but go ahead and just yell "you love jesus, bible thumper!", it probably helps you justify your position.

 

When it is one's intent to terminate the life. Its really quite simple. To me, I treat the fetus or even the fertilized mass of cells as a human life, because it is one.

 

Life begins when sperm meets egg. If there's a physical barrier, then the sperm doesn't meet the egg and life does not begin.

 

like what, if a pregant woman falls down the stairs? Uhhhh...that's an accident. I don't see anything wrong with that.



accidents happen all the time.

 

It really depends. You could see it both ways. If a woman didn't know she was pregnant and drank a bunch....I guess that would be nature. But if she did know she was pregnant and was aware of the ramifications of drinking whisky....it'd be murder or I guess manslaughter. In either case, if the baby dies, she killed it.

 

god? where did god come into this discussion. that's a separate argument. i'm looking at this from a scientific point of view.


The woman does bear a responsibility to not kill the baby. whatever that entails.

 

Then she still killed the baby. but it was negligent.