Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed! Or not! Sheesh)

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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    This is a direct result of the VDN coaching hire. Pax, who was already close to the edge after a massively difficult year last year, should have went after the following coaches ( who were available at the time) :

    1. Hubie Brown
    2. Larry Brown
    3. Jeff Van Gundy
    4. Mike D'Antoni

    Instead, he makes a huge mistake and hires a rookie coach with zero head coaching experience. This move really irked me since it made the Bulls look like a second class organization, right up there with Memphis and Toronto. This huge mistake, coupled with the fact that Pax couldn't facilitate any of his big time wanted trades, were too much of a burden to carry.

    Pax didn't do a terrible job considering what he had to work with when he got here, but in the end, Chicago fans deserve better then what Pax accomplished during his tenure.
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    Paxson leaving now is a shipwreck. Although the wrong trade for Stoudamire could be a shipwreck, too.
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    This is what I think.
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    I think Reisndorf is trying to cover up Pax's resigning. I still dont know whether to believe it or not. But Pax has done a good job with what he was given. When you have the owner interfering with contract and trade negotiations, I wouldnt blame him for resigning. Hopefully we got somebody that can help us.
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    1. Too old and not interested.
    2. Effectively tries to become coach and GM and usually leaves a shitpile behind.
    3. Um, wasn't he already coaching Orlando? How's Pax going to get him?
    4. Had him but Reinsdorf fucked up the negotiation.

    So maybe work on a new list. VDN wasn't a great hire, but the team isn't any more dysfunctional than it was last year. There are actually signs of improvement.
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagot...009/02/paxson-to-quit-bulls-doesnt-right.html
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    ESPN is reporting that Reinsdorf is denying that he's resigning. :dunno:
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    1. He is old, but still smart as a whip and can out coach just about anyone not named Popovich or Phil Jackson with his eyes closed. Besides, its not like Bulls even tried to convince Hubie to come out of retirement. But they couldn't wait to dig up Collins again!

    2. Hmmm, Larry seems to be doing a great job with Charlotte...

    3. Meant to say Jeff, not Stan.

    4. Jerry did mess it up, so he makes up for it by hiring Vinny ? Huge Mistake.

    There have been improvements, but it's been a result of their lucky lottery break and improvement from Tyrus. I don't see Vinny's coaching prowess as any reason for their improving play. If anything, I believe they've underachieved so far.
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    Heh... no.

    If one of your employees did that, what would you do? I'd have security packing his shit up out of his office before he finished his sentence.
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    That's a pretty low bar of success.
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    Yeah, but then you can't hold the GM accountable for ownership's egregious decisions. Paxson didn't want Wallace, Reinsdorf did, Paxson got Wallace . . . and screwed over his team in a hundred different ways.

    With the emergence of Tyrus and Noah, Paxson's picks have been pretty damned solid on the whole. The only real miss so far has been Thabo: and you get a miss here or there, especially when they're picked that low.

    I'm going to miss him, but then again, I thought I was going to miss Krause too.
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    1. Didn't he leave his last job mid-season because he couldn't handle the physical requirements of the job?

    2. If by great job you mean worse record than the bulls so far, then maybe...

    3. Doesn't like to take jobs without dominant big men. And enjoys what he's doing now.

    4. Maybe, but injuries and young players have made a fair accounting pretty hard so far.
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    Except I don't believe the facts as you set them forth. :)

    You mean you don't? Miss Krause?? :wub:
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    He left Memphis. Not a glamorous job by any means, and maybe he did feel a bit burned out. He's had plenty of time to rest since then. Again, wouldn't hurt to at least give Hubie a call.

    Considering what Charlotte has on their roster, and how badly the Bulls need someone to help teach defense (especially someone to mentor Rose - look what hes done with DJ Augustine) Larry would be great. Chicago is a first class city and its basketball team deserves a big time coach. Not a league minimum paid coaching stiff.

    Did they really go after Jeff? Did not hear any rumors at all. Head coaching pays alot better then tv announcing.

    You sound like Vinny's post game interviews with the injury excuses.
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    Hubie is going to be 76 this year. He's not interested in dealing with the bulls dysfunctional roster.

    Brown has already shuffled a third of their roster. Do you really think he'd be happy with BG as his starting shooting guard if he is running Felton out of town?

    And I'm not trying to defend VDN, but injuries and youth are undeniably a big part of where the bulls are. And if somebody is available this summer, I'm all for dumping Vinny. You can definitely do better. But he was an attempt to appeal to the players as a more player friendly type of coach after the team tuned out a very good, heavy handed coach in Scott Skiles.
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3905040
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    You posted earlier that hypothetically Pax should have resigned rather than having a deal forced upon him. If that's your opinion, why would it be unreasonable to assume that Pax wouldn't tender his resignation if he didn't get extra budget allowance to make a deal that he thinks is critical.

    Now with that said, there are ways to finesse this from Paxson's side rather than how DMD laid it out.
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    You posted earlier that hypothetically Pax should have resigned rather than having a deal forced upon him. If that's your opinion, why would it be unreasonable to assume that Pax wouldn't tender his resignation if he didn't get extra budget allowance to make a deal that he thinks is critical.

    Now with that said, there are ways to finesse this from Paxson's side rather than in clear black and white.
     
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    Re: Vecsey: Pax Out in Bulls Shakeup (Update: Confirmed!)

    What I was trying to get at there was that it was unreasonable for Pax to complain about not getting extra budget when he's responsible for the fact we'd need extra budget.

    In the case of having a deal forced upon him, Pax doesn't have that sort of responsibility. He simply says "look, I'm the GM and I think this is a serious mistake". In the case of asking to exceed the tax, he's saying "look, I'm the GM and I need more money" but he could do the deal and wouldn't need more money in the first place but for his past mistakes.

    I mean, I can see why he might actually resign over not getting a bigger budget, but like you said, isn't the budget problem his own damn fault?
     
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