Using the Carter to Dallas rumor i came up with this: Dallas In: Vince Carter, Rashad McCants, Eduardo Najera Dallas Out:Josh Howard, Jerry Stackhouse New Jersey In: Mike Miller, Josh Howard, Calvin Booth, Mia 1st New Jersey Out: Vince Carter, Josh Boone, Stromile Swift, Eduardo Najera Minny In: Josh Boone, Stromile Swift, Jerry Stackhouse Minny Out: Mike Miller, Rashad McCants, Calvin Booth, Mia 1st We obviously do this for the money. Stackhouse is unguaranteed next year and Swift is an expiring. Add Collins to the mix and we have 3 big time expiring contracts to clear space this coming off season. I dont know about the health status of Stack but if he can play he can fill in some veteran minutes. We swap the Mia 1st for a young defensive minded big.
Anything that helps us save money and get rid of Shaddy looks good to me. I'm still not big on trading Miller though. I just have always loved the guy. I know this may be what we need to do as a team, but he hasn't shown Minnesota fans what he can do yet. The recent games he has had are more accurate to his ability. Hitting 3's when needed.
I'm not big on this AT ALL....we don't need to trade our draft pick and Miller for capspace. Why? We need to trade for players....all the capspace in the world isn't gonna help if all we're gonna get free-agent wise are no star players we're going to have to overpay for....no thanks. Miller and picks are great bargaining chips to pull in real talent. That's the direction we need to go....or at least if the intent is to keep rebuilding with youth...Miller should be traded for a young high-potential player and a pick....not trading off one of our better picks. We can get soooooo much more just Miller and Boston's pick I'm really not with this deal.....not one bit What this comes down to is us trading our best bargaining chip and a mid-1st Rounder for capspace?!? Ugh!!! NO THANK YOU!
I think you are HIGHLY overvaluing Miller and the 29-30th pick in a super weak draft. Any team that is looking for Miller is going to be a team that is a)either contending and looking for a piece to put them over the top (Cleveland, LA, SA) or b) a team looking for some veteran help to try to push their team into the playoffs (NJ, Portland). The former group usually doesnt have any high potential players that they are willing to part with for a player that, lets admit is a luxury piece to have. The latter group isnt going to get rid of any player that is a part of their immediate future, they likely have several young pieces, and a few of them they know are not a part of the big picture (like Boone/Sean Williams or Outlaw/Rodriguez/Webster). Either we have to step up what we are offering, or we dont get everything we want. Miller is the only piece that we are sending out that is a truly good player. I would say Boone's value is about that of the #17-20 pick which is what Miami is going to end up as. I agree that capspace is nothing if you dont have a FO willing to use it. But capspace isnt limited to signing free agents, it can also be used to absorb big time big name salaries that teams may want to unload for 2010 or just because the economy is that bad. If teams are lining up with good young players to try and get Miller i dont see how a deal wouldnt have been done already. Its actually the other way around, we are trying to get people to see past Miller's 9ppg and numerous injury issues he has had this season.
Minnesota has been getting plenty of calls and offers of young players and picks...it's just minnesota has the luxery to wait out until the deadline for the best available offer. Why agree to any deal when your still getting calls? That wouldn't make any sense. The closer they get....the better the deals. And I stand by my statement that we can get a helluva lot better for Miller....than Boone and capspace
I havent heard about any calls but then again i dont have sources deep within the organization. If you do, please share so i can get Miller's value closer to what it really is
Are you serious?!? If have to explain that Miller and a draft pick is worth more than Boone and capspace.....I....I....just don't think I have the words that would get through to you... And if you check Timberwolvespress.com you will see an article there saying that teams have been calling, even after Minnesota put out that talks for Miller would involve at least a young player and a pick. And even a rumored offer from the Nets atleast had Minnesota getting a pick along with an expiring contract...not trading one... You honestly think the best we can get for Miller is Boone and cap?!? That pains me as a Wolves fan....it really does
Pains you? Lets not front like this organization hasnt seen its fair share of deals where we get completely and utterly raped. Im only going off what i read and what i see. And when it comes to that website, i take more of the "ill believe it when i see it approach". This was the same website that had us netting Gerald Wallace for Collins, McCants and a pick IIRC, and we all know that that never actually happened. This trade saves us roughly $14M dollars, thats not just cap, ask any owner of any company and tell them that you can save them $14M in a year. Any owner would consider it not to mention Glen Taylor then gets a piece of the pie that is split amongst the owners under the salary cap and that he no longer has to pay double for every dollar over the lux tax he is. Money has much more to do with this than you give credit to. Maybe im a little off, but you seem to think that i am having a fire sale here. Miller isnt helping us in the short or long term. So why not use him to get so far under the cap we can make any kind of deal we want? The only issue i see with the pick is that after this we will have a shortage of players under contract unless we make another deal. I can understand wanting to wait to see Miller's value next season. Miami just used Marion to unload a 3 year contract, get a 2010 friendly contract and a lotto protected pick. I dont think Miller holds more value than Marion but it might be a bit more balanced since more teams will be in play next year for the 2010 FA. I dont know any team out there that has a great young PG, or a high potential big man that wants Mike Miller bad enough to part ways with that player. I would rather do this deal than do nothing and i fear thats what is going to end up happening.
I'd like to apologize if i came off at all like i had an attitude or i was being disrespectful. I tend to carry my anger from one thing over to another.
