Bogut. Nothing against Frye, because I think he's a man with a ton of potential, but there were three bigs I believe are gearing up for "better than average" careers: Bogut, Bynum and Frye. Out of the three, Bogut has the most credentials, and I saw him as the second best player in the draft next to Chris Paul (maybe third, next to Gilchrist, if he was drafted).Both guys have an opportunity to come out of the gates and contribute for their teams, too...which is a good thing.
Bogut, although I feel neither of them will be true superstars in the future. I feel Bogut will reach his potential early and be not too much more than he is now, but Frye has the ability to be fantastic in the future.
Bogut, Frye only seems to be a good offensive player, he is way too lean. Good shot and he is learning to score inside points but Bogut is tougher inside, better rebounder, beter passer and I think he will be the better offfensive player if he actual gets the ball. He knows how to play too.
Bogut, its a clean sweep bogut wins. Frye is can be a good player but bogut has the possibility of being a superstar.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pistonz4life @ Mar 8 2006, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bogut, its a clean sweep bogut wins. Frye is can be a good player but bogut has the possibility of being a superstar.</div>and frye doesn't? how about looking at frye's numbers. he's got potential as well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 8 2006, 04:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bogut, although I feel neither of them will be true superstars in the future. I feel Bogut will reach his potential early and be not too much more than he is now, but Frye has the ability to be fantastic in the future.</div> Um, Andrew Bogut is the same age as LeBron James and everyone is acting like he has no room to improve. Give me a break.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 8 2006, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Um, Andrew Bogut is the same age as LeBron James and everyone is acting like he has no room to improve. Give me a break.</div>i hope you're not comparing them two. cuz that would be ridiculous.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 8 2006, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Um, Andrew Bogut is the same age as LeBron James and everyone is acting like he has no room to improve. Give me a break.</div>Bogut went to college. Not going to college gave Bron a LOT more to imrpove than Bogut. If you stay more than 2 years or so in college, you are gonna mature so much that once you hit the NBA, you are already close to your peak skill-wise and mentally. I feel that when Bogut reaches his prime, he will be much smarter and will have better stats, but not much so that he will be a superstar. MAYBE an all star reserve at best. I just don't think he has the talent to be a truly fantastic player in the league. Bron always had that, even in high school, Frye has that ability, it is a matter of how Frye develops.Then again, you are a Bucks fan, so it will be very hard to argue with you on Bogut like it is when arguing about Kobe with all the little cum guzzlers.....err I eman laker fans.
Nobody is <Censored> saying that Bogut is going to be a superstar, i'm saying that he's 21 years old and has plently of talent to develope and everyone is acting like he's in his peak or something and it's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. If you stay at least 2 years in college you reach your peak production earlier? Not really, it depends on the player. So why do you think Channing Frye has better potential than Andrew Bogut?
frye is more athletic and can do a lot more than bogut. frye can hit the outside shot consistently. frye played four years of college he also gives 100% every night. frye is already a good player he can be a good rebounder he just needs more minutes. frye is also going to be a pretty descent shot blocker. right now frye is unanimously the 2nd best rookie in the league. bogut is like the 6th or 7th. i don't see bogut improving that much. maybe i'm missing something.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Mar 9 2006, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>frye is more athletic and can do a lot more than bogut. frye can hit the outside shot consistently. frye played four years of college he also gives 100% every night. frye is already a good player he can be a good rebounder he just needs more minutes. frye is also going to be a pretty descent shot blocker. right now frye is unanimously the 2nd best rookie in the league. bogut is like the 6th or 7th. i don't see bogut improving that much. maybe i'm missing something.</div> Bogut's going to be a good rebounder too, Bogut will also be a good shotblocker, 2nd for ROY? Who cares who is behind Paul in ROY voting...or if they are 3rd or 7th in voting. Bogut is the 2nd most effcient rookie in the NBA How do you not see him improving? He's 21 years old?...jeez.
I think this thread is ridiculous..some of the guys give their opinion and you off and complain..We see your a Knicks fan, its obvious, but take a neutral side, and look at the potential and skills NOT THE STATS..Sorry these topics are for debating, but cmon..be realistic.. I really see this to be very close. Bogut has tons more potential. But right now I would take Frye. Frye has some key attributes that Bogut is missing, and vise versa. Frye gets about the right amount of minutes he should get, Bogut does not. So dont look at stats.. Frye is NOT unanoumously 2nd in ROY..my god no...his team sucks <Censored>, so hes not helping them win games..I would take Ryan Gomes every day of my entire life over Frye. Frye can do more than Bogut because he gets more minutes, and hes more expierienced in the game..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 9 2006, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nobody is <Censored> saying that Bogut is going to be a superstar, i'm saying that he's 21 years old and has plently of talent to develope and everyone is acting like he's in his peak or something and it's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. If you stay at least 2 years in college you reach your peak production earlier? Not really, it depends on the player. So why do you think Channing Frye has better potential than Andrew Bogut?</div>I know no one is saying that, but I'm saying that he will never reach that level. I feel he will imrpove a ton, but his stats will never be dominant or all much better than they are now. He isn't physically gifted enough to be much better than a 16/12 guy. I just feel he has realized most of his poetential in terms of skill level, and the only major thing that will make him better is maturity and experience. I feel Frye has much untapped potential. He is extremely athletic and long, which can get you almost anywhere (see: KG/T-Mac). His problem right now is he isn't bulky enough and too skinny, but many players of his type are like that when they reach NBA. If he bulks up, adds a little range to jumpshot, and becomes slightly more reliable in post, he could be one of the NBA's premier talents. Will that happen, especially on a team with no one to guide him or show him how to reach his potential and a stuck up coach, I do not know. What I do know is he has the talent and athleticism.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Mar 9 2006, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>frye is more athletic and can do a lot more than bogut. frye can hit the outside shot consistently. frye played four years of college he also gives 100% every night. frye is already a good player he can be a good rebounder he just needs more minutes. frye is also going to be a pretty descent shot blocker. right now frye is unanimously the 2nd best rookie in the league. bogut is like the 6th or 7th. i don't see bogut improving that much. maybe i'm missing something.</div>Frye can do more things than Bogut? Are you kidding me?? Frye can shoot a mid-range jumper. Bogut can post up, hit the mid-range, pass from the high post (very underrated skill in the league), and defend. Frye can shoot, but he's soft inside, and he can't pass well. I take Bogut EASILY.
It's Bogut all the f**king way man! Bogut is way more tougher, bigger and more powerful. Frye is pretty skinny. Maybe he should gain some pounds over the summer if he wants to be a true PF!!! BBIIATCCH!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nemesis @ Mar 9 2006, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's Bogut all the f**king way man! Bogut is way more tougher, bigger and more powerful. Frye is pretty skinny. Maybe he should gain some pounds over the summer if he wants to be a true PF!!! BBIIATCCH!!</div>think what you will..........bogut will be the <Censored> and frye will be the star.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 9 2006, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know no one is saying that, but I'm saying that he will never reach that level. I feel he will imrpove a ton, but his stats will never be dominant or all much better than they are now. He isn't physically gifted enough to be much better than a 16/12 guy. I just feel he has realized most of his poetential in terms of skill level, and the only major thing that will make him better is maturity and experience.</div> Okay, Bogut has played in Australia, he has played in the olympics, he has played 2 NCAA seasons, he's been playing high level competition since he was 16. On the court Andrew Bogut is very mature and if he makes a few comments while speaking his mind, that doesn't make him immature.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 9 2006, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay, Bogut has played in Australia, he has played in the olympics, he has played 2 NCAA seasons, he's been playing high level competition since he was 16. On the court Andrew Bogut is very mature and if he makes a few comments while speaking his mind, that doesn't make him immature.</div>WTF are you talking about? Don't put words in my mouth. I never said he was immature. I said because he was in college, he matured greatly, physically and skill-wise. In the NBA everyone matures even more, so that is why he said he will become more mature and smarter, which makes you a much better player. That includes decision making and learning new moves. But skill-wise, I do not feel he will ever be more than a 16/12 player, and that Channing Frye has more potential to be a top tier player.
