I don't know why I even repsond to your posts. I'm not sure what ratings you use and don't care. Amare is a terrible defender and LMA is getting better every year. Amare might have the ability to be a good defender but doesn't try half the time. I also doubt the Bulls end up with Amare. They never make a trade if they have to give up any of their players that can even walk and chew gum at the same time.
If they were able to swing the trade that is talked about in the OP, I'd be for moving Joel and have LA as the primary backup to both Big spots. I'm sure JP would have significant trade value. STOMP
That's a great idea and I think we could at least get a rotation player for Joel. I'm not sure KP would have enough time to trade Joel before the deadline though. Unless KP is already working on that right now.
Amare benefited from a very fast pace offense - he is a much smaller improvements over Aldridge when you actually adjust for pace - given this year's performance. You can see the details here: http://sportstwo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1902302&postcount=3 But, specifically - adjusted for pace their per-36 numbers are (Pts/Rb/Ast/Blocks/Steals): LMA is: 17.7/6.8/1.8/1.0/0.9 Amare is: 18.6/7.3/1.7/0.9/0.9 Add the fact that Amare's rebounds are inflated because he does not play next to dominant rebounding centers (Both 'Billa and Oden are ahead of Shaq in Rebounding-rate) - and the difference is a lot smaller than you make it to be...
LMA is a better defender than Amare. I was listening to a Suns commentator on the morning show here in Portland and they said they would easily trade Amare for LMA straight up if the contracts matched and they would love to have LMA, but Portland would be crazy to do that.
I would definitely be interested in this... Aldridge is a guy who could really do some damage off the bench. Joel is able to score against a lot of backup centers... LA against them wouldn't really be fair. Ed O.
This year's performance for Amare is, many of us believe, more of a fluke than an actual indication of his capabilities. PER is adjusted for Pace, and this year is a near career-low year. Aldridge, on the other hand, has been pretty consistent and while there's a lot of room for improvement I agree with the Bulls' fan that the difference between the two players is pretty massive. Ed O.
as far as the blazers second attempt at amare goes.... why is nobody else reporting it????? also if you cant get amare for that deal....you do it and run. trade aldridge and get a stud pg or sf
PER is adjusted for pace - but that's not what I said - I said that Amare benefited from fast-pace offense - he is very quick for a big - and his speed provided mismatches there. But - since most teams in the league do not play this style - his production is going to fall much more when the pace is slower - because he is not the greatest half-court player there is - and we see it clearly this year - by PER. (The same is true for Nash, btw). Your argument actually proves my point - he benefited greatly by the D'antoni teams pace. I think that Amare is only a great upgrade of LMA if you play a very fast system (I am not 100% sure about it - since we have no idea how good LMA would be in this system) - but only a small one if you do not play like D'antoni/GSW. For the record - I would agree that until we know how LMA plays in a really fast system - Amare seems like a match made in heaven for Chicago given that Rose is a fantastic player in the open-court - and they are so bad and mis-constructed at present - that rebuilding the team around Rose/Amare with fast pace over-all seems like a great thing. On the other hand - in Portland's system - LMA is a better player for the present and the future, it seems.
It proves nothing. He's had a half-system under a new coach that barely seems to know what he's doing. There's nothing conclusive that states that Pace is the reason he was dominant before Porter took over. Aldridge doesn't consistently draw double teams. Amare does, irrespective of Pace. Amare is able to beat power forwards off of the dribble and get to the line at a much higher rate, and that has little or nothing to do with Pace. I think that most Blazers fans just are biased towards Aldridge... which is OK, but I think that most impartial observers would consider Stoudemire a far superior player to Aldridge in ANY system. Ed O.
