Would you rather trade LMA or Amare if we trade with Suns

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  1. Further

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    If we do trade Bayless, RLEC etc for Amare, would you rather keep Amare or LMA.

    A few questions within this general question need to be determined.

    1) Which player would fetch more around the league?
    2) Which player would be a better match for the rest of the Blazers?
    3) Would Amare do well in Nate's system?
    4) Would Amare be likely to resign with the Blazers?
    5) Would LMA be likely to resign with the Blazers?
    6) Would Amare be OK with this still being ROY's team?

    I personally think I would rather keep LMA and trade Amare, but there might be some homerism involved in that choice. I think Amare is a better player right now on offense, but I think LMA is better on D. Overall, I think Amare is the better player. However, 1) I think that LMA would fetch more around the league for two reasons, he is much cheaper and he has had zero character issues. But I don't know if LMA would get that much more? 2) I think that Amare might not fit well with the rest of the Blazers, especially Oden. Oden already has a hard time staying out of foul trouble, and getting a worse defensive big might just add to that problem. On the offensive end, Amare is less likely to pass to Oden than LMA. 3) Amare has stated that he liked the free flowing fast of his former coach and I don't really see him being pleased in the super slow half court game of Nates. (4,5) I really don't know who would be more likely to resign. LMA has made a few tiny comments about the whether and such that make me think he is not enamored with the NW, but I also think he loves the team and likes his position on an up and coming team. Also, with LMA, he will be able to get more money from the Blazers than anyone else. With Amare, he has never demanded a trade that I am aware of, but I know that he is unhappy with his current roster and I don't know if he will get along any better with the Blazers. And if he does not like how Nate uses him/nates system, then he might leave for greener pastures. 6) I know that Amare wants HIS team, and this is Roy's, I don't know if Amare would be OK with playing second fiddle if he is still a major piece.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Amare.
     
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    I'm not sure depends on what we would get back from trading LMA or Amare. If it took Amare to get a elite PG like Harris I would keep LMA but if we would be getting the same player with either players being traded I might have to go for Amare even though LMA is my favorite Blazer.
     
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    trade Joel and bring LA off the bench. A Bigs rotation of Greg Stat and LA would be fearsome.

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    I second this idea and I think there are a lot of teams that need a center (starting or backup).
     
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    Everything depends to an extent on what we would get for either player- but everything being equal I would keep Stoudemire. He's much more talented in an athletic sense and could, I feel, become a good defender with the right coaching- which he's never had before. His offensive ability is incredible. I could imagine an inside outside game with him and Roy and eventually with him and Oden. Amare can shoot the outside jumper also.

    Basically in Amare, we have a borderline first team all NBA type player- unstoppable near the basket...and think of how much offensive rebounding we will get if the other team's bigs have to double team either Oden or Stoudemire- there will be a ton of put backs.

    I think Aldridge could easily get us one of the small forwards that we've been drooling over- maybe with a draft pick thrown in.

    But, I think it's unprobable that we get Stoudemire w/o trading Aldridge.
     
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    Keep LMA, trade Amare.

    LMA is younger, has the potential to be better than Amare (better outside shot), and LMA plays better D.
     
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    I think Amare has more value in this league, so I'd trade him and get our elite PG or SF for sure.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    If Phoenix can't get an elite player for Amare, what makes you think we can?
     
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    The story is they don't want an elite player. They want $$$. They want cheap players
    and expiring salaries.

    We, on the other hand, can afford to trade Amare either for an elite player with a big salary,
    or an elite player on a rookie salary plus a bad player on a big salary. That opens up a lot
    more trading possibilities.

    barfo
     
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    What barfo said.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Name an elite SF or PG that we could realistically get with Amare.

    The closest I would think, would be Gerald Wallace.
     
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    Make a list of those you consider to be elite SFs and PGs and I'll tell you which we could get.

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    Who would sit down the stretch in the fourth quarter? I'd hate to have an abundance of talent at one position while seeing an area we could improve in at SF and PG. And Joel's one of those role players you need that just plays good hard-nosed defense if we're going to make a title run.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Elite PGs:

    Chris Paul
    Devin Harris
    Tony Parker
    Deron Williams
    Chauncey Billups
    Steve Nash
    Derrick Rose

    Elite SFs:
    LeBron James
    Danny Granger
    Carmelo Anthony
    Kevin Durant
    Paul Pierce
    Gerald Wallace
    Caron Butler
     
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    Clearly PHX would be happy to trade you Steve Nash for Amare!
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Paul - seems pretty unlikely, although rumor has it that NO is going broke. If anything worked here, it would be RLEC for Paul, not Amare.
    Harris - probably not, unless they are desperate to get rid of someone else. Haven't heard that they are.
    Parker - Maybe, if they wanted to use Amare at C and had confidence in George Hill at the point.
    Deron - Amare, Millsap, and Boozer? Seems like too much of a good thing. Nope.
    Billups - no, because the Nuggs already have 2 bigs, Nene and Kmart, on big long term contracts.
    Nash - trade Amare back to Phoenix for Nash? Seems impossible.
    Rose - seems unlikely, although they have plenty of trash they could pack up with him.

    Lebron, no way because nobody trades LeBron.
    Granger, no because the pacers have the jailpacer problem to surmount.
    Carmelo no, same reason as Billups
    Durant: OKC doesn't have any big salaries to dump. On the other hand, their bigs are so bad, they might be interested. We'd need to spice it up a bit, but it's possible. It would make them a better team.
    Pierce - maybe, if they wanted KG to play SF.
    Wallace - maybe. we could take back Mohammad's contract.
    Butler - maybe. They don't have horrific contracts, but we could clean off the end of their bench for them.


    I wouldn't say anyone on your list is likely. More likely to me is a young player not yet in your elite class, but with indications of becoming elite, plus some bad contracts.

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    Amare for Jeff Green and their 1st round pick unprotected? IDK..not sure Pritch would be able to flip Amare that quickly.
    If we traded Amare, I want Buter, Granger, Deron, or Harris back..problem is, I'm not sure any of those teams want Amare.
     
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    heres a thought nobody has said.....odens hurt worse then we thought (season) amare starts at center????

    we trade him or LA this summer????

    blake
    roy
    webster
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    isn't having Joel and Greg on one roster "an abundance of talent at one position"? I don't see them ever spending significant time on the court together... do you?

    As Greg matures I see Joel getting less and less PT, which probably wouldn't help his trade value. Right now I'm positive he could fetch the SF or PG you speak of. I think Amare's better offense and fit with the club more then offsets Joel's better D... especially in a potential title run. Besides being more talented and a better fit, AS is also much younger.

    Who would sit with the game on the line??? What a great problem to have.

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