(Merged) Five deals that should happen at the trade deadline!

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If you can get Butler you do it!!! take either webster or batum with sergio and give me butler!!! If we get butler we are looking at a showdown with the lakers in the WCF

 

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Yup yup.

Outlaw will probably be the 1st one moved imo. He's movable and decent.

 

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I'd do this trade... but I'd like to swtich Batum with Webster or even Outlaw since Wallace can also play backup 4 which can help make Outlaw expendable. But Outlaw is still a big part of this team and the chemistry so I'd like to keep him.

I'd take either Butler or Wallace... Butler is the better player, Wallace is the better fit. I wouldn't really give up Bayless for either, but i'd give up anyone outside the big 3 and Bayless for 'em.

 

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problem with this story/link.... its just what this guy thinks would work for us. theres no mention that we are really talking to either team. just guesses from the writer or what looks nice on our roster.

 

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Reading the article, If I were the Raptors I'd take that deal and run.

With the threat of Bosh leaving next summer, grabbing a beast like Biedrins and a nice prospect like Randolph, a solid big in Turiaf and a pick - that's a great package.

 

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I'd agree, but as a Raptors fan, I'd like to check salaries. Plus, Bargnani has proved that he can be a 20 a night guy. I like it but most might not.

 

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I really, really like Crash, and I'd do that type of deal for him in a minute (especially if we give them Webster instead of Batum).

However, Butler gives us something wonderful - Roy insurance. Every time Roy falls down, the whole state of Oregon
takes a deep breath. With Butler, we could say "you got next", and actually give Roy a few days when he needs it.
He can also hit the 3 when he's in with Roy.

Basically, Crash would be super awesome, Butler would be totally ridiculous. However, my guess is that we would have to
give up Bayless to get Butler.

 

Don't trade Batum!

I know Chad Ford just pulls stuff out of his arse, but I see that he has Batum as a "throw-in" in his projected Wallace trade. I don't think so. The only way I wouldn't mind us trading Batum is if we get Chris Paul, Deron Williams or POSSIBLY Rajon Rondo in return. As that isn't happening, Batum better be staying put, I tell you what.

 

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sums up the homerism on this board

yah lets keep a guy who cant make a jumper to save his life and pass n an allstar.

thats the general thinking on this board.

 

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If Batum gives us Wallace or Butler, then au revoir.

 

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So Batum moving is a deal breaker, even if he was the linchpin in a deal that brought back Gerald Wallace or Caron Butler?

I really like Batum's upside, and would love to keep him, but I don't think he should be a deal breaker.

 

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I love Batum and his potential for being our future SF but if we have to include him in a trade for either Butler or Wallace I wouldn't hesitate at all. You have to give up something to get something that will improve your team. I feel the same way about Bayless and even more so but I would have to probably even include him for Butler if that is the only way to get him but I would try everything possible to get the trade done without Bayless.

 

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I think we've been so spoiled with some of our recent trading history that we expect to get just about anyone for pocket change... =)

 

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Batum is not a deal breaker, but earlier reports were that they really want Webster, which is fine for me.

Wallace + Batum = SF set for 10 years!

 

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Upside and potential are over valued to an insane extent. Sure Batum may very well be good someday, but the smart money is on him always being a marginal player. Portland has had many, many players over the years that seemed like they would end up being Hall of Fame level guys. Only one actually was. The rest had careers cut short due to injuries, and/or attitude.

Bonzi Wells is an excellent example of this. Remember his first couple of seasons when he seemed like he was unstoppable? As it turned out, the only player who could stop Bonzi was Bonzi. And thats exactly what he did.

Dave at BlazersEdge made a good point at the beginning of the season. The best teams are the ones with the least questions. Batum is going to have question marks around him for at least the next two years, if not longer. Don't we already have enough players like that? If you can get a proven guy in the league for a guy that "might" be good someday, you do it.

Stop letting the Ghost of Jermain O'Neil haunt you.

 

We don't know how good either of Wallace or Butler will be for Portland. It's not enough that they score a lot - the team has to benefit. I worry that (a) Larry Brown has been trying to unload Wallace since he got there, and (b) the Wiz are so crappy even when Butler plays.

It's entirely possible either could plug in instantly and make the team much better. But if you think you know that from their performances with other teams, you're fooling yourself. Remember when the Lakers had Cedric Ceballos, a near 20ppg scorer, and traded him to the Suns for Robert Horry, who was glued to the bench (throwing a towel at your coach might do that)? That was obviously a trade that was going to help... the Lakers. Horry's game was much better suited to making the good players that the Lakers had better. Do Wallace or Butler do that? I'm not sure. Whereas Batum really does work well with the players we have, and he's only 20. He's more skilled at that age than either of the other two (certainly than Wallace - he may already be a better ball-handler and defender than Wallace, and I'll bet he has a better grasp of the game).

So yes, it would be a deal-breaker for me. Mainly because I'm not that wowed by either of those guys - for us. To be a good SF for this team the two main skills needed are defense and 3 point %. I'm not sure that's the strength of either of those players. I don't want to bring in someone who just takes away shots from Oden, Aldridge or Roy. I think they're taking fewer shots than they should already (especially Oden).

Look at those guys objectively:
Wallace: an energy player, can take you off the dribble, gets steals and rebounds - the kind of player you love when he comes off the bench. If he's one of your better players then you are the Bobcats. Can't shoot.

Butler: a much better all-round player, but has looked a lot better when he's been the major scorer. Call this the John Salmons effect. We want someone who will plug the gaps and make what we have better, not take away from what we have. I quote:

 

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Agreed.

That certainly doesn't follow, unless you mean that the majority of NBA players are going to be marginal players, but that would have you saying the smart money is that, say, Derek Rose will be a marginal player.

Not to me. Certainly not as rookies. I never thought Telfair would do squat, for example, and we haven't really had many high profile rookies until the current administration.

What period are we talking? And why are we only talking about "hall of fame players". Are you telling me you think Wallace or Butler are going to be that? Because if so, one of us is delusional and it isn't me.

No, because he didn't. He always had holes in his game, and he always had attitude problems. How is he relevantly similar to Batum?

Is this the plot of a "Behind the Music" episode?

That's vague enough to be meaningless. And if it has any meaning, it's false. The Celtics had huge question marks at PG and C last year.

He's being stalked by MIXUM!?

You mean, like Greg Oden? Let's ditch him for a known commodity!
If you're only going to look at one rather dubious attribute, then yes. But Batum is more advanced in many respects than our more established players. He's arguably our best perimeter defender. He's got a better grip of the game than Outlaw. He's got more flying-out-of-nowhere blocks than any other Blazer. He's got positive attributes that none of our other players have. There's a reason he's starting: it's not simple charity. And he's 20 years old. What 20 year old doesn't have some "questions"? Does that mean no team should have 20 year olds?

Depends what they've proven. Have they proven they can be good for this team? To do that they would have to have played a similar role to what they will need to do here, and they will have to have improved the team they've played for. I don't think either is true. A lot of players can "prove" they can put up a ton of points for crappy teams. Corey Maggette, for example. I certainly wouldn't trade for him, no matter how cheaply. And didn't we just get rid of Zach Randolph? He's proven he can score AND rebound! Get him back immediately!

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I never rated Jermaine O'Neal, except by comparison with Shawn Kemp. Arvydas Sabonis didn't think much of Jermaine, and that was good enough for me.