Spurs after Jefferson and some news on the nets deal

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  1. RoyToy

    RoyToy Clown Town

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    Ever heard of Tony Parker?
     
  2. MrJayremmie

    MrJayremmie Well-Known Member

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    OK, top PGs...

    Paul, Williams...

    Billups, Parker...

    Nash, Harris, Rose...

    Calderon, Davis, Arenas, blah blah blah...

    So I guess he is borderline top 5... anywhere from 4-6... He is probably number 4 or 5 now, but Rose will pass him up to number 4 next year, and he may hold number 5 while Nash slides down to 6. But as you can tell, most of the best PGs are in the West... probably 4 of the top 5.
     
  3. alex42083

    alex42083 Thanks Brandon

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    All right. I guess we suck then. I'm prepared for a total Blazers meltdown this second half of the season, while seeing these other teams losing their top players knock us out.

    And actually Phoenix is the team left out, not them and Utah. And in the literal sense, the Suns are a lotto team I guess. I just took mixum's interpretation of calling us a lotto team as that we suck.
     
  4. JE

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    Yes, I know I would.

    Pure conjecture. Considering how the Nets and Blazers were projected to do at the start of the season, and how they're doing now, with the talent/players they're doing it with, I'd say Harris is every bit the leader that Roy is.

    Devin Harris is 26 next month. Stupid argument.

    1 more point a game.

    Thats fine. Harris is the leader of a team filled with random veteran role players and draft busts that is in the playoff chase after being projected to be a bottom five team in the league (he only plays with two other decent players).

    lol

    If you knew that you had a completely valid argument, would you really need to point me in the direction of other message board posters and say 'see? they agree with me!'? You can do better than that, can't you?

    4th. Kevin Martin. Scores more. Hey, its your own argument.

    roflberries :lol:

    Did you watch the game when the Celtics went to Golden State earlier in the year? Ray Allen got outplayed by Marco Belinelli.

    Very good.
     
  5. JE

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    Did I forget Parker? Whoops. I also forgot Billups and Nash from the looks of things.


    Ah well. That still puts Harris in 7th, comfortably in the top ten.
     
  6. RoyToy

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    You were talking about PGs, not overall top 10 players.

    edit: nice edit
     
  7. JE

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    lol

    Denial in its most blatant form.
     
  8. JE

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    I know, I thought you had responded to the overall top ten list for some reason. My mistake.

    Thanks.
     
  9. MrJayremmie

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    Wasn't it your arguement that Harris is one of the best PGs in the NBA because he is the best scoring PG in the NBA? it wasn't my arguement, I was just pointing out that Roy scores more, on a team that has plenty of scoring options, is younger, has gone to 2 all star games and is averaging 16.5 ppg, 5apg, and around 7rpg in those 2 games, while Harris has been to one and done nothing. In Roy's 3 years he has 1 ROY and 2 All-star appearnaces.

    A stupid arguement because Roy is 1 and 1/2 years younger and has accomplished much more in his 3 years in the NBA than Harris has in longer? Or that Roy is doing better this year statistically and is on a better team? Hmmm...

    Or you can flip that around and say Harris is getting his stats because he is playing on an average team that centers everything around him.

    So Harris's best attribute is scoring, and he doesn't even score as much as Roy, yet he is the better player?

    Which allows him to inflate his statistics, while Roy has his team at #4 in the MUCH harder Western conference. Last year, if the Blazers were in the east they would be in the playoffs. You will make the playoffs at .500 in the east, which is what the Nets are aiming for.

    I'm simply pointing to the fact that you are in the minority, nothing more. And simply stating that your trade proposal is laughable.

    So you laugh when you got nothing?

    And if Harris outplayed Roy you could make the same arguement. But Allen has been the better player all year, which means if he were to outplay Marco, it wouldn't be a big deal, which is similar to what roy did... went into NJ and took care of business, showing he was the best player on the floor.

    Thanks.
     
  10. JE

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    So Paul Pierce, Chris Bosh, and Amare Stoudemire are in a dead heat with Brandon Roy? Epic fail.

    If Carmelo doesn't deserve to be there, Roy sure as hell doesn't.

    OK let's use the PER metric. Whoops, now Carlos Boozer is better than Brandon Roy. Does that sound right and accurate?
     
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    Here are a couple of interesting articles saying a deal for RJ and the Blazers is going to happen or very close:


    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...F?slug=aw-tradebuzz021709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

    The Milwaukee Bucks have told teams their closer to moving Richard Jefferson to the Portland Trail Blazers for a package that includes Travis Outlaw and Raef LaFrentz, one Eastern Conference executive said.



    http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/nets/archives/2009/02/rj_moving_the_f.html

    Sources say Jefferson and Luke Ridnour likely are headed from Milwaukee to Portland for a package including Raef LaFrentz' expiring contract and Travis Outlaw, two components that were part of a proposed Nets deal.
     
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    Hijacking this thread with a Harris>Roy argument is beyond being a douche.
     
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    Include Sergio dammit, especially if Ridnour is coming back.
     
  14. ehizzy3

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    what...sergio or blake have to be involved...blake, rid, sergio, and bayless?
     
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    Ha ha ha that would be hilarious. Blake traded to Milwaukee...again...
     
  16. Tortimer

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    I think Sergio might be included. It didn't list the compete trade in either article.
     
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    ehizzy3 RIP mgb

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    what about backup PF too?
     
  18. MrJayremmie

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    Again, I think any GM would take Roy over those 3. Amare isn't that good in a system that isn't uptempo which tends to inflate statistics. Roy puts up his stats in the slowest offensive tempo in the NBA. And he still scores more than your boy at a more efficient rate (FG% by about 3%) :)

    I guess the coaches didn't think so over the all-star break... Melo isn't even teh best player on his own team, bud.

    Boozer isn't the best player on his own team, AND we arne't comparing Boozer and Roy, but rather Roy and Harris. But I suppose instead of trying to argue Harris v Roy you can try and disprove a statistical measurement.
     
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    OK I'm done, sorry guys. Didn't mean to hijack, that is lame.
     
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    the deal is prob sergio, outlaw, ike, and RLEC + a filler like ike or frye for rjeff and ridnour

    it really is the most likely deal in terms of reality

    well if travis and sergio are out tonight...done deal

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
     

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