Bulls talking about Miller/Salmons swap (confirmed, done deal!)

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  1. MikeDC

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    Marc Stein says Noc/Gooden for Miller/Salmons is being discussed. If you hold John Salmons under a blacklight, you can see "One Year Wonder" scribbled all over him.
     
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    Re: Bulls talking about Miller/Salmons swap

    His efficiency has actually been good for the past few years.

    I dont like this trade though. Salmons doesn't give us 2010 relief for Nocioni's contract, and Miller in for Gooden puts us in the luxury tax this summer, making it tougher to re-sign Gordon.
     
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    Re: Bulls talking about Miller/Salmons swap

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    Re: Bulls talking about Miller/Salmons swap

    It's a done deal! :NOTMARIS:

    http://www.nba.com/2009/news/02/18/bulls.kings.trade/

    Aldridge: Bulls to land Salmons, Miller for Nocioni, Gooden

    By David Aldridge, TNT analyst
    Posted Feb 18 2009 4:33PM

    The Sacramento Kings are the latest NBA team to engage in cost-cutting moves that will pare money from the team's books next season.

    The Kings agreed on Wednesday to a trade that sends forward John Salmons and center Brad Miller to the Chicago Bulls in exchange for forwards Drew Gooden and Andres Nocioni, according to league sources. The deal will reduce Sacramento's obligations next season, saving the Kings millions on the salary cap and keeping them well under any potential luxury tax payments. Gooden, making $7.15 million this season, will likely come off the team's cap after this year, and now, the team is free of the $5.4 million due to Salmons in 2009 and the $12 million due to Miller in '09.

    This will be Miller's second go-round in Chicago; he played two-plus seasons in Chicago after being traded from Charlotte in 2000 before being dealt to Indiana in a trade that also sent Ron Artest to the Pacers in exchange for Jalen Rose.

    Sacramento will absorb the remaining four years and $28.4 million on Nocioni's contract, but Nocioni's contract actually goes down after next season, when he's scheduled to make $7.5 million, to $6.8 million in 2010 and $6.6 million in 2011 before going back up to $7.5 million in the final season -- a season that will be the Kings' option to pick up.

    The Kings have gotten good financial news all week. They traded a future second-round pick to Boston for veteran Sam Cassell on Monday in a deal that will net Sacramento approximately $500,000. And yesterday, the Kings learned that the league will grant them financial relief on the remaining two seasons on the contract of forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim, who has retired after years of knee problems. Because he hasn't played this season, the league will allow insurance to pay 80 percent of his remaining salary. So while he'll stay on the team's books, its out-of-pocket payments will be reduced significantly.

    With second-year center Spencer Hawes and rookie forward Jason Thompson playing big minutes for Sacramento, Miller was a luxury. And Salmons' good play this season made him a candidate to be moved, with Dallas in hot pursuit for several weeks. The Mavericks had hoped to entice Sacramento with the contract of guard Jerry Stackhouse, who is guaranteed only $2 million of his $7.2 million salary next season (Stackhouse would get the full amount if his team wins the NBA title, unlikely in the extreme if he had been sent to the Kings).

    Miller's presence could conceivably clear the way for Chicago to move one of its young pivotmen, either Tyrus Thomas or Joakim Noah, in another deal. Thomas was part of a package the Bulls were trying to move to Phoenix for forward Amar'e Stoudemire, but the Suns have indicated in recent days that they're more likely to keep Stoudemire now that they've replaced former coach Terry Porter with assistant Alvin Gentry.

    The Bulls have also been looking to cut costs for next season, and have been shopping Nocioni hard for months. Chicago is still looking for a suitor for Larry Hughes, who has essentially been deactivated from the team in the last month by coach Vinny Del Negro while management seeks a deal for him. Sources indicate Hughes could still potentially be sent to Washington in exchange for guard Mike James and center Etan Thomas if the Bulls don't make any other big deals.

    ESPN.com first reported the discussions between the Kings and Bulls.
     
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    Re: Bulls talking about Miller/Salmons swap

    From the Sac Bee:
     
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    Re: Bulls talking about Miller/Salmons swap

    His efficiency has sucked. Before this year, his career high PER was 13.9. And before that, it's been in the 9-10 range. He blows.
     
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    If it's as Aldridge says, this puts us over the luxury tax. Gotta be another deal or more details coming.

    Code:
    Miller	 $11.4 	 $12.25 	
Salmons	 $5.41 	 $6.27 	 $6.68 
			
Gooden	 $7.15 		
Noc	 $8.00 	 $7.50 	 $7.00 
			
Bulls In	 $16.79 	 $18.52 	 $6.68 
Bulls Out	 $15.15 	 $7.500 	 $7.00 
Net change	 $1.630 	 $11.02 	 $(0.32)
     
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    http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/019745.html?mi_atom=Kings Blog and Q&A
     
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    OK, that mean's we're under the LT this year!
     
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    The kings seem like a mess though, but maybe SAR is coming off their cap this year and I missed it?
     
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    Yeah SAR retired this year.

    Good deal for both teams I suppose. Miller back where he used to play. (with Artest ;))
     
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    I kinda like the deal, Miller can score in the post, will grab rebounds, and he passes very well for a big man. We still need to make another trade IMO
     
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    Yeah he's off their cap and the remainde of his 12M is being paid by an insurance company.
     
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    Good move for Kings IMO, Noc+expiring is better for future. They finally bring in a hardnose guy that they needed....but how does this help the Bulls? Brad Miller is a great passer out of the post but Salmons is replica of Larry Hughes & Thabo IMO. He doesn't bring much more than they had already. Okay deal, nothing special
     
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    Once again we get the smelly end of the stick.

    Miller is injured and is 33.

    Salmons is having a career year. Looks like he may be our SF with Deng at PF.
     
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    Millers improves us a little bit offensively, but other then that, it's more of a lateral move then anything. Hopefully this leads to something bigger. Plus, Deng is pissed. I was just listening to the WMVP pre-game show and they reported that Deng refused to answer most of the questions, and when he did answer, he'd only give one-word answers.
     
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    Really, that's interesting. I wonder if he sees Salmons as competition? He's a lot more like Deng as a player than Noc was.
     
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    How do you figure that? Tyrus plays a little PF, doesn't he? Or Stoudemire?
     
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    Do you have an audio clip of this? Of Deng being pissed off?

    I mean, he couldn't be more pissed off than me. The Bulls never make good trades up to this point.
     
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    We just became a smaller team. Noc could play some PF, I don't see Salmons as that kind of guy. I figure (and always have) that we should play our strongest and best lineup, which would be:

    Rose, Gordon, Miller, Salmons, and Deng. Hinrich, Noah, Thomas, and Thabo give us a reasonable bench.

    Thabo gets increased PT at backup SF.

    I don't know how many games Miller is good for. Noah and Thomas will get plenty of PT.

    Why we do it? Our strongest and best lineup, effectively small ball with a couple of guys (Deng, Miller) who are suited for the bigs positions with 3 guards, Salmons is big enough to guard a lot of SFs, four guys can score 20 on any given night means they can't double team us, increased PT for Hinrich if we play Salmons at SF, gets us a 2nd 3pt shooter in the lineup.

    This deal is essentially capitulation that Amare isn't coming here.
     
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