Please, Warriors Get a Point Guard.

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  1. AlleyOop

    AlleyOop JBB JustBBall Member

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    Well, he's putting up almost the same numbers as Baron Davis is with LAC (13.9/3.9/6.8 vs. 15.5/3.4/8.1) for almost a third of the cost. Baron makes $11.25 mils this year, while Felton makes only $4.15 mils. That's bargain bin right there. No, he doesn't shoot a high percentage. He has very similar Baron Davis qualities -- it appears he's stubborn, shoots way too many threes, and generally shoots a poor FG%. But he's also strong like Baron, with excellent floor vision, and he'd immediately become the ONLY true point guard on the roster. Totally different from another scoring / combo guard. Yes, he tries to score, but make no mistake, he's a true PG.

    For 4.15 mils, what's the risk? The kid's only been a pro for three and a half years, and he's already flirted with a triple double several times this year. Also, I'm sure his numbers would climb in Golden State under Nellie.

    The kid's only 24 years old and has Baron Davis qualities. If he can just learn better shot selection, and mature, the sky's the limit for him. Plus, playing with Monta/Beans/Jackson, in a run-n-gun offense under Nellie, this would be his best chance to flourish.

    For 4 mils, what's the risk? IMO it's worth a shot, considering right now we SUCK at point guard. No offense -- the Warriors have been playing better, but PG by committee will never work. Monta's much better suited at SG, and Crawford's much better suited in another uniform.

    Trade Crawford / Maggette, get Raja Bell/Boris Diaw/Felton. Or just get Felton plus prospects or something. To me, it's gamble definitely worth taking.
     
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    Warriors had a chance to get BD back for Maggette and Marcus Williams.....and they Turned It Down!!!

    Stupid.
     
  3. WarriorFan

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    When was this? Yesterday? I can't imagine they wouldn't want a mulligan on swapping BD for Mags!
     
  4. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Depends on whether you think Baron would convert back to the Baron of GSW season's past or the Baron post 5 year/65 mil deal. I think everyone knew the risk of re-signing him to a long term deal was that he'd turn into a complete lazy ass/headcase. Its hard to say whether he did that or whether hes just a bad fit with Dunleavy. Either way, the facts are that Baron is shooting 35% from the field this year and the Clips have only 13 wins.

    I maintain the same stance as I did in the offseason- no way do I give Baron that big of a deal over 5 years. Say what you will about Mags, hes getting paid less annually and you can bet on him always being professional and in shape. The Baron era was nice but IMO its time to move on.
     
  5. jason bourne

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    I have to agree with Run BJM. Baron post 5 yr/65 M deal has been a nightmare. He's turned into the injury prone, team cancer that everyone was afraid of on the Clippers. I admit I would have extended Baron three years at $36 M, but won't touch Baron with a stick after seeing what he's done on the Clippers.

    Shapecity's list is starting to look good now and we got the rest of the season to see what Marco can do, if only Nelson would give him minutes.
     
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    Warriors had a chance to take on five years of a egotistical, ballhogging, poor-shooting, crippled, unmotivated, out-of-shape PG, and they passed on it?

    Smart.

    Who is more tradable right now: Maggette or Baron? Maggette might be difficult to move because of the 5 years, but he's still a good athlete in his prime, and he'd get offers. Baron is impossible to move right now. No team is going to touch him with his likely decline and that contract. We all appreciate what Baron did while he was here. But are you going to get the same 2, 3, 4, 5 years from now? I don't think so. I would have liked to have Baron for another 2, maybe at most 3 years. But the 5 the Clips offered was horrible and that contract is going to be a boat anchor for that franchise for years to come.
     
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    The sad part about that, is that I really feel Baron could do it if he came back to GS under Nellie. I think he could come back and regain his form. He's only 29 years old. I mean, Jason Kidd will be 36 in March, and he's still phenomenal. Kidd's getting 9pts/ 8.4ast/ 6.4reb. And he's second in the league in steals with 2.2/game. He's still rolling and the Mavs are 11 games over .500%.

    Also, about the production, anyone who leaves GS, their production will go down. Because you get twice as many possessions under Nellie. But Baron's went down especially because of the team he chose. The Clips, under Dunleavy, that's just not a style that's conducive to Baron getting 20 pts 10 asts. Now, granted, he is shooting a poor FG percentage and a terrible 3pt percentage. But that's Baron. He's been that way his entire career. Despite the fact that he shoots more threes than just about anyone else in the NBA, he's never even sniffed 40% on the season. He's never shot higher than 36%, and his career average is 32%.

    Baron is not a good shooter. But he is a clutch shooter. He has primacy. When he's motivated. Now, after all this, would I do that trade? I don't know. Honestly, I do think Baron could come back to GS and be the Baron of old. But that would only happen if he chose to make it happen. If he decided to be motivated and in shape. But that's probably too much to leave in Baron's hands. Too much of a gamble. At least with Maggette you know what you're going to get...

    ...But wasn't that the fun of Baron/Monta/Jack in the POs? You just never knew what they were capable of. They were the X-factor. The wild-wild-west.

    At this point, with our PG situation, I would almost consider that trade, if we could include Crawford and get back a young guy like DeAndre Jordan. I don't think Baron and Crawford could co-exist. But let's not forget, Baron and Monta could co-exist. They were perfect for each other. Baron and Biedrins could co-exist. They were also perfect for each other. Baron and Jack? We all know they're the blues brothers.

    At least, if we traded Baron + prospect for Mags + Crawford, we would have a stud PG again and we would have a player that would instantly be the floor general, and a player who we know has good chemistry with our other starters. "The chemistry experiment" with Crawford, Jack at PG, Monta at PG, Mags at where ever, all of that would be solved. The PG question would be over.

    At first, the trade idea seemed absurd. Baron has a large deal, his numbers are down, he's pouting in LA, he'd be very hard to move if he didn't work out, and he left here in a sour way. However, after trying not to just knee-jerk react to it, and look at it, I really do think Baron's capable of coming back and re-creating the magic in Golden State.

    But it would be a crazy gamble, for sure. At this point, though, I wouldn't put it past Nellie/Mullin...
     
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    I'd love to have Jason Kidd, but not under Nellie ball. He would be a disaster. His triple doubles would go to zero zeroes. Maybe Kidd could return home in his final year at 38 or something. Same with Paul Pierce.

    Ramon Sessions will likely come cheap. He's big, fast, can penetrate and dish, and does NOT shoot the 3-ball. The only thing is he may turn Monta into more of a shooter instead of the slasher and scorer, but they would be a fast backcourt. Anthony Morrow would have a field day playing with Sessions.
     
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    Felton looked skitz last night beating the Warriors, 26pts, 9ast, 4 steals.
     

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