OT: Point guards ranked by PER

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  1. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    Miller would be a great pick-up, IMO. He'd be a big upgrade in the present and his age doesn't represent a problem, as he'd make a perfect bridge to Bayless.
     
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    Interestingly, I was watching an interview with David Aldridge last night. They were discussing where Kidd would end up. His comment (paraphrased) was "I think he'll stay in Dallas. Though Portland has long had interest so it wouldn't surprise me. Really though, I think they'd be better off with Miller. He'd be perfect for the Blazers.".

    Anyways, I thought it was interesting to hear. I mostly agree with him too, presuming we can get him for the right price. Miller's an excellent distributor who can penetrate and finish well. Sure, he's not the best jump shooter, but the team is already relying on jump shots too much anyways. He'd be a good pickup until Bayless is ready. Depending on his price of course.
     
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    I like Miller a lot and certainly think he would be a huge improvement, but his age is a concern for me. I would hate to see the Blazers offer him too much on too long of a contract, if the Blazers do indeed offer him a contract.
     
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    Is this assuming Blake is gone? I don't see the point in having both Blake and Miller in front of Bayless. I think the goal is to have someone be the transition to Bayless (assuming he can progress to a starting-calibre point).
     
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    Portland would probably need to renounce Blake to have the money under the cap to sign Miller.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Not sure I put much stock in that list (actually, I'm sure I don't). It has Brevin Knight, with his 9.71 PER ranked 2nd and Deron Williams (PER = 20.89) ranked 12th and Chris Paul (the best PG in the game, with a PER of 29.15) ranked 13th.

    You don't honestly think Sergio (9th on that list) is a better player than Williams and Paul, do you?

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    MARIS ranked it by Assist Rate, so there was no consideration of scoring, rebounding or limiting turnovers. Or defense, but no Hollinger stat really measures that.
     
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    He's a bit more efficient playmaker than either of them, and a better rebounder than Williams.

    Plus, he's half of the Spanish Armada and neither of them are!:cheers:
     
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    To be honest - they both were part of the US team that sunk the real Spanish Armada (with Rubio who is a much better player than Sergio) in the Olympics!
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    You didn't answer my question. Do you think Sergio is a better player than Williams or Paul?

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    Not exactly. Sergio has a bit better Assist Rate, but a significantly higher Turnover Ratio, too. The Turnover Ratio gap is larger than the Assist Rate gap.
     
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    Ramon Sessions is also available, and has much more upside.
     
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    A recent aberration caused by his limited PT and sporadic changes in lineup configurations this year.

    Sergio has usually been near the very top in assist-to-turnover ratio.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Yeah, but he's no Travis Diener. Diener has a higher AST rate, shoots the ball better and has a MUCH lower TO rate (6.2 vs. 15.1) than Sergio.

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    PER is meaningless. It doesn't account for Blake's exceptional D.
     
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    Was Jimi Hendrix a better player than Andres Segovia or Howard Roberts?

    Beyond any doubt, Sergio is THE best player to lead THIS team to many, many Championships.:cheers:
     
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    Ast/TO is the way to look at their efficiency as playmakers. On top of this - we need to look at efficiency with playing time, otherwise we ignore the time Sergio wastes dribbling aimlessly and on top of it - their own scoring is important because if we leave it out we ignore the plays where they call their own number (that's playmaking too, they are part of the team).

    Both Paul and Williams's Assists/TOV are higher than Sergio's and they score (per-36) 6 (Deron) or 8 (CP3) more points than him. They are much more efficient players and play-makers - which is not a real surprise if you actually pay attention to the game.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    No he hasn't - EVER. Not even close. He turns the ball over too damn much to ever come close to the "top" in A/TO. He's currently 49th in the league at 2.41 A/TO. Blake is 9th at 3.40 and Roy is 27th at 2.67.

    BNM
     
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