<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 20 2006, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they are LA and will eventully sign someone.</div>Hmmmmm<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 20 2006, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Lakers fans think they automaticly are the front runners for any star FA. Just because they have been good in the past. The last great FA the Lakers have signed was 10 years ago.</div>
What pisses me off much more than Laker fans is Kobe fans. They don't care aobut the team, just how Kobe does. One of my best friends is one of those. God, i hate that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Mar 21 2006, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What pisses me off much more than Laker fans is Kobe fans. They don't care aobut the team, just how Kobe does. One of my best friends is one of those. God, i hate that.</div>No, If kobe goes crazy but La loses people are going to say Kobe cannot lead his team. So infact even if you're a kobe fan, you want the team to do good.
I hate Laker fans, because most of them aren't Laker fans. They are Kobe fans. They talk sh*t about the whole team except Kobe, make excuses for Kobe when it comes to everything, and say bar none he is the best swingman since Jordan. I hate that. True laker fans will realize the importance of some of those role players (especially Odom) and realize that KObe DOES do wrong.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 22 2006, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hate Laker fans, because most of them aren't Laker fans. They are Kobe fans. They talk sh*t about the whole team except Kobe, make excuses for Kobe when it comes to everything, and say bar none he is the best swingman since Jordan. I hate that. True laker fans will realize the importance of some of those role players (especially Odom) and realize that KObe DOES do wrong.</div>When we traded for Odom we expected so much more for him. He hasn't delivered properly untill latley, that's why. Odom has a huge part of the game and without him we wouldn't win 30 games. However when a so called 2nd option goes for 9 points and 8 turnovers there's something wrong.Why laker fans don't diss kobe? Because you don't diss you're franchise player. He make mistakes but he does alot to make up for it. Odom when he has a horrible game does nothing to help and just disappears.It's like orlando fans blaming Tracy or cavs fan blaming Lebron or Sixers fans blaming Ai. No-one blames their superstar for making mistakes.And believe me Nitro you have not been to real laker forums. You should've been their last week when kobe had his worst couple of games.edit: Seriously untill latley those role players did jack <Censored>. So you can see why everyone says there nothing because they were nothing. Before they went to kobe, so did odom. Now there looking for their own shots. I don't see how anyone can blame kobe over them being scared of him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 21 2006, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hate Laker fans, because most of them aren't Laker fans. They are Kobe fans. They talk sh*t about the whole team except Kobe, make excuses for Kobe when it comes to everything, and say bar none he is the best swingman since Jordan. I hate that. True laker fans will realize the importance of some of those role players (especially Odom) and realize that KObe DOES do wrong.</div>...Thank you.
[quote name='Clutch_Melo_061' post='20389' date='Mar 21 2006, 09:27 PM']When we traded for Odom we expected so much more for him. He hasn't delivered properly untill latley, that's why. Odom has a huge part of the game and without him we wouldn't win 30 games. However when a so called 2nd option goes for 9 points and 8 turnovers there's something wrong.[/quote]I stills tand by the fact that without odom, Kobe would be having the same damn crap season he did last year, and without Smush and Mihm they would be a 20 win team. I never asked anyone to diss Kobe or bash him. I am just saying, the dude is far from perfect, yet Kobe fans make him the golden child. I am not saying crap about Laker fans, I am talking to Kobe fans, the ones who seem to not give a sh*t about the actual team. Odom was averaging 15/6/5, Smush was getting around 12PPG, and the triangle has been somewhat working. No one is afraid of Kobe, but when the guy is shooting 27FGA's per game, of course you're gonna be inconsistent and gonna be hesitant of him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clutch_Melo_061 @ Mar 21 2006, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When we traded for Odom we expected so much more for him. He hasn't delivered properly untill latley, that's why. Odom has a huge part of the game and without him we wouldn't win 30 games. However when a so called 2nd option goes for 9 points and 8 turnovers there's something wrong.Why laker fans don't diss kobe? Because you don't diss you're franchise player. He make mistakes but he does alot to make up for it. Odom when he has a horrible game does nothing to help and just disappears.It's like orlando fans blaming Tracy or cavs fan blaming Lebron or Sixers fans blaming Ai. No-one blames their superstar for making mistakes.And believe me Nitro you have not been to real laker forums. You should've been their last week when kobe had his worst couple of games.edit: Seriously untill latley those role players did jack <Censored>. So you can see why everyone says there nothing because they were nothing. Before they went to kobe, so did odom. Now there looking for their own shots. I don't see how anyone can blame kobe over them being scared of him.</div>That's SO not true. When Paul has a bad game, i have no problem pinning it on him. And i know of alot of Cavs fans blaming Bron for a loss. Remember when he got booed after missing all those freethrows?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 22 2006, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I stills tand by the fact that without odom, Kobe would be having the same damn crap season he did last year, and without Smush and Mihm they would be a 20 win team. I never asked anyone to diss Kobe or bash him. I am just saying, the dude is far from perfect, yet Kobe fans make him the golden child.I am not saying crap about Laker fans, I am talking to Kobe fans, the ones who seem to not give a sh*t about the actual team. Odom was averaging 15/6/5, Smush was getting around 12PPG, and the triangle has been somewhat working. No one is afraid of Kobe, but when the guy is shooting 27FGA's per game, of course you're gonna be inconsistent and gonna be hesitant of him.</div>But kobe's still shooting now those 27 fga's and Odom is balling. Why didn't he do that earlier? If kobe's FGA'S were the problem he'd still be playing horribly.Secondly if you throw kobe out of the team how many games do you think the team will win? It's like saying what would MJ be without Pippen? Pippen played excaltly the same role as odom has with defense.Do you know why Odom is shooting alot latley? Phil at the start of the season told him let the offense come to you. Phil about 2 weeks ago told him to now don't wait for it to come for you, you go to it. All it took once sentence from phil and booom Odom is playing well.That's SO not true. When Paul has a bad game, i have no problem pinning it on him. And i know of alot of Cavs fans blaming Bron for a loss. Remember when he got booed after missing all those freethrowsThose cavs fans are not real fans. And if you pin Paul pierce for losing than that is up to you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clutch_Melo_061 @ Mar 21 2006, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But kobe's still shooting now those 27 fga's and Odom is balling. Why didn't he do that earlier? If kobe's FGA'S were the problem he'd still be playing horribly.Secondly if you throw kobe out of the team how many games do you think the team will win? It's like saying what would MJ be without Pippen? Pippen played excaltly the same role as odom has with defense.Do you know why Odom is shooting alot latley? Phil at the start of the season told him let the offense come to you. Phil about 2 weeks ago told him to now don't wait for it to come for you, you go to it. All it took once sentence from phil and booom Odom is playing well.</div>Odom is doing better scoring wise due to good coaching. But like last year, consistenct is a problem due to Kobe's erratic play and jacking up so many shots. MJ was having the best statistical seasons without Pippen as main playmaker. Kobe has his worst statisitcal season without Odom as main playmaker. Of course Lakers would suck without Kobe. Rockets are 2-19 I believe without Mac, and that is even with yao balling out of his mind. Teams centered around superstars will always suck. Without Kobe, Odom would step up his game, though. Yes, great coaching.
What Nitro is saying is true. While many NBA fans are fans of teams because of individuals, Laker fans take it to a whole different level. When the Lakers are losing, it's Lamar Odom's fault. Seldom do they know that he isn't getting the ball, but it's still his faultOdom, Smush and Devan George are not clutch in their eyes, only Kobe, but how would anyone know? Odom, Smush, and Devan George never get the ball in bigt time situations, yet it's still their fault the Lakers don't have many options late in games.When Kobe shoots 40% from the field and his team looses, it's because his teammates suck too much to pass to. However when Kobe gets 10 assists and the Lakers win, it's all because of Kobe he got those 10 assists, his teammates did nothing.Even yourself Melo, I've never heard you say anything negative about Kobe. I've heard you say he wasn't as clutch as you once thought, might not be as good as TMac on some days, but I've never seen you question Kobe's shot selection or faults on a consistent basis. You live in Australia for gods sakes, and you still claim to know everything about Kobe and the Lakers, even though I'd be surprised if you see a quarter of their gamesLaker fans are Kobe worshipers, not just fans. They worship the guy, everything he does, and treat him like a basketball god, when in reality, he'll go down as one of the most controversial and selfish palyers of all time.P.S. The fact you just compared Odom to Pippen shows alot: You are proving our points as you go. You are saying everything possible to make Kobe not look bad, negative, selfish.
What Nitro is saying is true. While many NBA fans are fans of teams because of individuals, Laker fans take it to a whole different level.Great.Odom, Smush and Devan George are not clutch in their eyes, only Kobe, but how would anyone know? Odom, Smush, and Devan George never get the ball in bigt time situations, yet it's still their fault the Lakers don't have many options late in games.Actually they have, this season it's become lesser. This season agaianst Sacrament Lamar odom hits a big 3 from a kobe assits. Clutch. We have the game. Then odom who was told told to run the clock out drives loses the ball and was it Brad miller hits the 3. The last play was set for kobe. Kobe's posting up on Kevin martin, Lamar odom ignores him, takes a 3 misses then laughs. He laughed.When Kobe shoots 40% from the field and his team looses, it's because his teammates suck too much to pass to. However when Kobe gets 10 assists and the Lakers win, it's all because of Kobe he got those 10 assists, his teammates did nothing.How foolish can you get. If kobe got those 10 assits who was he assisting? When Kobe went for 9-33 i said that was unacceptbale and he hasn't repeated that again. If kobe can hit 45-50% of his shots then their is no critisiscm. However if it's lower their is.Even yourself Melo, I've never heard you say anything negative about Kobe. I've heard you say he wasn't as clutch as you once thought, might not be as good as TMac on some days, but I've never seen you question Kobe's shot selection or faults on a consistent basis. You live in Australia for gods sakes, and you still claim to know everything about Kobe and the Lakers, even though I'd be surprised if you see a quarter of their gamesAs i've explained i don't ponder on kobe's negatives because his postives outweigh it. Lamar odom yesterday had 7 turnovers and i wasn't angry. If you nitpick all his negatives then was is left? Kobe was the reason why we were in the playoff hunt untill Odom suddently decided to shoot the ball. So i have nothing but respect for the guy. All laker fans know his decision making is shaky, we know he makes mistakes.And their is a thing called internet streaming basketball. There's also torrent and also on Lg and club lakers you can donwloaded extended highlights. What does that matter anyways, i've watched enough laker games to decided for myself. At the start of the season it was "Give it to Kobe" and watch and people said kobe was telling them this. You need to watch laker games from the start of the season compared to now and see the change. Laker fans are Kobe worshipers, not just fans. They worship the guy, everything he does, and treat him like a basketball god, when in reality, he'll go down as one of the most controversial and selfish palyers of all time.Kobe will go down a 3 time champion, in 20 years people will not remember that he split with Shaq. Kobe at age 25 was a hall of famer. That is amazing. Also you haven't been to any Laker forums before so obviously you have no idea what laker fans think.P.S. The fact you just compared Odom to Pippen shows alot: You are proving our points as you go. You are saying everything possible to make Kobe not look bad, negative, selfish.You stupid thing. Odom and pippen play the excat that position. You fail.
Just to let you guys know, there's a lot of us Laker fans who fall under the opposite of what you guys have been saying. Because we judge Kobe higher than anybody else, when he does wrong, we get more pissed at him than anyone else. We expect more from him, so when he shoots a 25 foot fallaway we break our remotes. When we see him yell at the refs and not get back on D we pull our hair out. Anyone who can't see Kobe's flaws just isn't a Lakers fan. They're a dumbass.
Well, whatever the refs did, it probably doesn't beat what happened in the Super Bowl this year to the Seahawks! :thumbdn1: seriously, everybody just talk about something else.And Laker fans here right now, just listen to that, because if you stop talking, the people you think that are insulting you will shut up too. Sound fair to everybody?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Mar 22 2006, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just to let you guys know, there's a lot of us Laker fans who fall under the opposite of what you guys have been saying. Because we judge Kobe higher than anybody else, when he does wrong, we get more pissed at him than anyone else. We expect more from him, so when he shoots a 25 foot fallaway we break our remotes. When we see him yell at the refs and not get back on D we pull our hair out. Anyone who can't see Kobe's flaws just isn't a Lakers fan. They're a dumbass.</div>That's what i've been saying. When kobe shot for 9-33 where were you? Ask BCB what was my response.K-mart,You're just a dumbass who says stuff without showing any proof. This is my favourite one,but I've never seen you question Kobe's shot selection or faults on a consistent basisIf i on a consistent base questioned kobe's shot selection then i'm not a laker fan. All you see is the negatives. I see the negatives but the positives outweigh it. That's what i'm trying to get at,.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clutch_Melo_061 @ Mar 21 2006, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If i on a consistent base questioned kobe's shot selection then i'm not a laker fan.</div>What? How? Kobe's shot selection has been terrible lately, everybody knows that.
Consistent. If all i do is question Kobe's shot selection that what's the use. That's like nitpicking Shaq for not hitting his freethrow. That is not right. If the certain player is doing everything he can and all you do is sit there and say "he's shot are not good" then you're not a fan. You're a person who wants everything to be perfect.I'm not saying if you question his shot selection you;re not a fan but if on a constant basis you do whilst ignoring all the positives then you're not a fan. Simple.If all laker fans sat there and kept on questioning Shaq;'s freethrow whilst forgetting everything else he does than he/she is not a fan.
