<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Delonte4Prez @ Feb 15 2007, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BCB I know you are strongly set in the thought that it wasnt a conspiracy and yes a agree with you I seriously doubt that the government set this thing up and took thousands of lives just to give the american people incentive to go to war.BUT!!! The videos I posted(loose change) are amazingly intricate and offer proof to every point they make. One think in particular that stuck out was the cell phone calls. They reviewed the call logs and people were calling their mother's stating thier full names and one person called something ridiculous like his great aunt's son or something, would you really call some arbitrary person when you could just call the authorities and notify them? doesn't make sense to me. And on top of all of that cell phones get pretty terrible reception in a plane and a study was done in which there was something like a 1:1000 change of a call going through or maybe it was 1:100. I just dont see how all that could happen. Then they go into the pentagon strike. Looking at the collision, it looks in no way that a plane hit it. I dont see how a plane can just disappear no matter how fast its going and not to mention in the video posted it looks like the plane hits directly and if it did then how in gods name is the only significant damage to the structure 2 16 foot holes in the wall?? I just doesn't make sense. I still dont think its a conspiracy but something just isnt adding up.</div> Cell phones generally work alright in airplanes (I've flown tons of times). I don't trust half the sh*t on those conspiracy websites, considering half the garbage they have there...I wouldn't trust their 'studies/information' considering so much of it is bullsh** and stuff taken out of context...Trust me, when you know your going to die or might get hurt most of the men and women called their spouces/children to say goodbye and tell them what was happening, sounds right to me....What the hell are the police going to do? Most of the people on the plane were business people that had families. I don't think their's anything fishy at all, look at all the 9/11 widow's that are going all over the country trying to get the memorial done...are you telling me thats all fake? All those people lost family members, it's an insult that people think it was all fake when DEEDEEDEE look at all the kids without parents who died on the plane. I don't see whats so suspicious about the Pentagon at all, a plane hit it, flew into the building and burned, burned, burned. When the planes hit the WTC they went right in like a spoon through jello...same thing happened at the Pentagon...your not going to find much wreckage outside the building considering how fast the plane was traveling and the gigantic fireball...as you can see in pictures of the Pentagon, there's plenty of wreckage inside the building. Nothing wierd about it at all.-------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been watching this loose change video, otherwise known to me as 'garbage'...man...all these people do is find random 'fishy' sounding stuff, take it out of context...slap it together...pathetic...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Okay. So there's no one that has come out and said anything about this. The people that died on that plane are still alive somewhere, and their families I suppose don't know. The plane is still somewhere; it was rerouted to another location. Something flew into that building, but no one has any idea what. People just say what they thought they heard. Yeah, that's an entirely reasonable explanation.</div>Man don't say that. Talk to one of the hundreds of Air Traffic Controllers who were shitting their pants over what happend to those four planes that day. They know EXACTLY what happend.
I can't believe how many people fall for the bullsh** in loose change. the video is full of innaccuracies, and misinterpretations. The Pentagon video is fuzzy because it was taken from a sercurity tape,which are almost always fuzzy, its not like the WTC videos which were taken by major news agentcies. Even if you look at the pentagon footage you can see its a large object which slams into the pentagon. most missles the US uses would be a lot smaller than that. There are larger missles but they pack a lot heavier payload than what hit the pentagon. larger missles such as the minuteman, or the CIM series would have done a lot more devistation that what happened at the pentigon. A smaller missle such as a sidewinder or hellfinder wouldn't have done nearly the damage that was inflicted upon the building. something like the SCUD missle may do the damage, but those things are innaccurate as hell and for the most part outdated, Im not even sure if any brance of the US military ever used them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Feb 15 2007, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Man don't say that. Talk to one of the hundreds of Air Traffic Controllers who were shitting their pants over what happend to those four planes that day. They know EXACTLY what happend.</div>No sh*t? Do they know anything about sarcasm?
^ No, they don't because most of them are dead because of the atrocities that occured under their watch whether they could have done anything or not.
I think people are misunderstanding. BCB and Justice are going to tell you that America is the real victim, and that many people died here and places like Iraq and Afghanistan should be blown up to little pieces of dust. My point in arguement, was that I said, I find it hard to believe a plane hit the Pentagon and people have little or no proof to back it up. In this case, there is a whole field of interpretation left. We have no real way of saying that that American Airlines Flight 77 (people kept saying it was a boeing) really infact hit the Pentagon. No one, yes no one, not even BCB, is 100% right. Now obviously they are going to answer me saying, 'Well what hit it then if it wasn't a plane', my question is, "If a plane was the only thing that hit, could have anything else done it? Of Course."There is alot of Conspriacy theories, dating back to 1962 even, in which people suggested that the U.S was carrying out the Operation Northwards plan JohnF. Kennedy denied. Some people say an early call was made to various people, including San Franciso mayor Willie Brown in which the phone call allegedly told him that the planes were severly delayed. Some say that the the U.S was warned 6 years in advance, in which a terrorist plan was supposedly supposed to strike Manhattan. Some even say that this was even planned in relation with the stock Market, in which large amounts of American Airline options were traded, netting a profit of $5 million, and these investors, are still to be unamed. So it just goes to show you, that there are so many theories that it is impossible to prove one wrong or single out one. Unless you actually take into account everything that was happening in the whole world up until 10:03 eastern daylight time on September 11, 2001. I think what we can prove is, that many many people got hurt, families broken, generations dead, and many innocent people, to the hands of who? No one knows. But there is something I am sure of, the families that lost loved ones, dont really care if a missile or a plane hit the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, im sure they care about the loved ones they lost more.
So the video, eyewitness testimony, forensic facts, cellphone calls from the people aboard the hijacked plane, and the group responsible taking claiming they hijacked a plane and flew it into the pentagon isn't enough proof? Most people aren't going to know the maker of an airplane, Boeing is the most famous so its naturally what being are going to assume. We can say it hit the pentagon. the FAA loses track of the plane near Arlington, Virginia. suddenly there is a crash in the pentagon. Flight 77, its crew, passengers, and even the terrorist have never been located. When you add everything up, the plane crashed into the Pentagon. Most of these Conspriacy theorist are wackjobs who believe the CIA killed Kennedy, An alien space craft crashed in New Mexico, and the Moon landing was a hoax. these aren't exactly credible sources. The US has also been warned that terrorist attacks would take place in Texas, California, Washington DC and State and about everywhere else in this country. The Government might have had some information pertaining to a planned terrorist attack but they didn't have the when, where, or how. Before 9/11 the Government couldn't screen passengers getting on airplanes like they can now, the laws weren't in place to allow them to do so.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Feb 17 2007, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think people are misunderstanding. BCB and Justice are going to tell you that America is the real victim, and that many people died here and places like Iraq and Afghanistan should be blown up to little pieces of dust. My point in arguement, was that I said, I find it hard to believe a plane hit the Pentagon and people have little or no proof to back it up. In this case, there is a whole field of interpretation left. We have no real way of saying that that American Airlines Flight 77 (people kept saying it was a boeing) really infact hit the Pentagon. No one, yes no one, not even BCB, is 100% right. Now obviously they are going to answer me saying, 'Well what hit it then if it wasn't a plane', my question is, "If a plane was the only thing that hit, could have anything else done it? Of Course."There is alot of Conspriacy theories, dating back to 1962 even, in which people suggested that the U.S was carrying out the Operation Northwards plan JohnF. Kennedy denied. Some people say an early call was made to various people, including San Franciso mayor Willie Brown in which the phone call allegedly told him that the planes were severly delayed. Some say that the the U.S was warned 6 years in advance, in which a terrorist plan was supposedly supposed to strike Manhattan. Some even say that this was even planned in relation with the stock Market, in which large amounts of American Airline options were traded, netting a profit of $5 million, and these investors, are still to be unamed. So it just goes to show you, that there are so many theories that it is impossible to prove one wrong or single out one. Unless you actually take into account everything that was happening in the whole world up until 10:03 eastern daylight time on September 11, 2001. I think what we can prove is, that many many people got hurt, families broken, generations dead, and many innocent people, to the hands of who? No one knows. But there is something I am sure of, the families that lost loved ones, dont really care if a missile or a plane hit the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, im sure they care about the loved ones they lost more.</div> I think it's funny that your pretty much taking all the points from the first 10 minutes of Loose Change as fact. All Loose Change has done is take random stories and lobbed them together, taking them out of context...etc...How do you know the things in that video are even correct? As always, Redneck is right on with his comments. Like I've said before, if you understand the planning/start of the 9/11 plot and everything that happened before the planes were hijacked, it makes everything these conspiracy people say irrelevent. God, it drives me f*cking crazy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Feb 17 2007, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it's funny that your pretty much taking all the points from the first 10 minutes of Loose Change as fact. All Loose Change has done is take random stories and lobbed them together, taking them out of context...etc...How do you know the things in that video are even correct? As always, Redneck is right on with his comments. Like I've said before, if you understand the planning/start of the 9/11 plot and everything that happened before the planes were hijacked, it makes everything these conspiracy people say irrelevent. God, it drives me f*cking crazy.</div>I didnt watch loose change.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Feb 17 2007, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didnt watch loose change.</div> Apparently you did, because you just ran down in order all the points in the first few minutes.. And all those points are just quick 10 second blurbs with little information read other than the title of the document...which is ridiculous. My point is, just becasue it's in some YouTube video, it doesn't mean it's real...These conspiracy people are famous for taking things out of context...they don't cite sources...they keep using old material thats been proven inaccurate...etc...
I tried to watch loose change but unfortunately I have the attention span of a squirrel.Could someone sum it up for me?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Captain @ Feb 17 2007, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I tried to watch loose change but unfortunately I have the attention span of a squirrel.Could someone sum it up for me?</div> Taken out of context, slop random things together, misinformation, useless information they put in there to confuse people, they pretty much find hundreds of news articles and read the title and move on...they never go into detail...it's pretty much put together to confuse ignorant people.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L_C @ Feb 16 2007, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^ No, they don't because most of them are dead because of the atrocities that occured under their watch whether they could have done anything or not.</div>What the hell are you even talking about?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Feb 17 2007, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think people are misunderstanding. BCB and Justice are going to tell you that America is the real victim, and that many people died here and places like Iraq and Afghanistan should be blown up to little pieces of dust.</div>I didn't say Iraq or Afghanistan should be blown up. Don't put words into my mouth.As I said before, explain to me how YOU would fake the pentagon being hit by a plane. If you can come up with a legitimate explanation, then maybe I will consider your points as anything other than asinine.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Feb 17 2007, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Taken out of context, slop random things together, misinformation, useless information they put in there to confuse people, they pretty much find hundreds of news articles and read the title and move on...they never go into detail...it's pretty much put together to confuse ignorant people.</div>your so rediculously set in your ways. BY no means do I think anything in loose change is true but if you actually watched it you would know they made strong points towards melting point of steel in the towers, cell phone calls in the planes, and how it all linked to GW's brother. Regardless of how you feel about the credibility or credentials of those reporting this if someone backs it up with this much information you have to honor it. AGAIN I dont believe any of this is true. It just opened up my eyes and if you think about it there is no doubt that if the government wanted to do this as a set up they could have. I dont understand how you can say that "its pretty much put together to confuse ignorant people" so basically anyone who even thinks the government or the president or any connection to him has done something against the will of our nation is ignorant? Im sure no presidents or government officials have done any scandalous work........watergate.Oh and of course you are so much better than everyone else because you would never doubt your country. If anything your ignorant for even making that post.
Again, I'll state this for the 300th time, anyone that knows how 9/11 started and what happened before the planes were hijacked knows that this conspiracy stuff is all garbage. Most people only know the hijackings but nothing about how the plot started, the hijackers, what they did in America, where they traveled...etc...And these people have the balls to call it a government action, those people are not only ignorant but stupid. Period. Loose Change is garbage, all the conspiracy theorists are a disgrace, they're political motives and obvious lack of commom sense infuriates me...and they spread Loose Change and this disgusting puke to people who have no understanding of 9/11 and who will believe anything they are told/or shown on YouTube. It's sad.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Delonte4Prez @ Feb 19 2007, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>your so rediculously set in your ways. BY no means do I think anything in loose change is true but if you actually watched it you would know they made strong points towards melting point of steel in the towers, cell phone calls in the planes, and how it all linked to GW's brother. Regardless of how you feel about the credibility or credentials of those reporting this if someone backs it up with this much information you have to honor it.</div>The creator of the video said himself that it was pretty much a joke. It isn't based on fact; merely conjecture like, "Man, this seems funny." There is nothing scientific about it.
3 interesting videos I found with points that I haven't heard before. Posting these to add fuel to this discussion:http://youtube.com/watch?v=0DoibU5njEMhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=ExrVgioIXvkhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=GPWF8JW7jJwDo I believe all of this conspiracy talk? Not necassarily, nor do I want to believe it was a conspiracy. But I find these kinds of things very interesting. For the past year or so I have seen many videos of 9/11 coverups, then others disproving them. But I hadn't seen these 3 videos yet and found them interesting. Note: The 2nd video is the original, and was part of a long, hippie video where part of it they go indepth about the thermite and such. To avoid posting all of that propoganda, I just posted the original video.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Feb 19 2007, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The creator of the video said himself that it was pretty much a joke. It isn't based on fact; merely conjecture like, "Man, this seems funny." There is nothing scientific about it.</div>maybe I misinterpreted it but it seemed to come across as scientific and based on research and fact. And do you have a link to him saying that it was a joke?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Delonte4Prez @ Feb 19 2007, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>maybe I misinterpreted it but it seemed to come across as scientific and based on research and fact. And do you have a link to him saying that it was a joke?</div>I swear I have seen it, but I don't at the moment.Here's a pretty funny retard moment from one of them, though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>your so rediculously set in your ways. BY no means do I think anything in loose change is true but if you actually watched it you would knowthey made strong points towards melting point of steel in the towers, cell phone calls in the planes, and how it all linked to GW's brother. Regardless of how you feel about the credibility or credentials of those reporting this if someone backs it up with this much information you have to honor it. AGAIN I dont believe any of this is true. It just opened up my eyes and if you think about it there is no doubt that if the government wanted to do this as a set up they could have. I dont understand how you can say that "its pretty much put together to confuse ignorant people" so basically anyone who even thinks the government or the president or any connection to him has done something against the will of our nation is ignorant? Im sure no presidents or government officials have done any scandalous work........watergate.Oh and of course you are so much better than everyone else because you would never doubt your country. If anything your ignorant for even making that post.</div>No they didn't. Nobody ever said the steel in the buildings melted. It was the exposure to the sever heat that caused the I-Beams to warp and change shape, which compomised their strength and led to a structual failure.
