I wanted Wallace or Butler and was more than willing to give up Batum to get them. I share some of Mixum's frustration that we didn't make a trade at the deadline because I see how big a difference a stud small forward would have made for us and because I think we could have still picked up someone decent at the point in the off season. Basically, we missed out on our chance to get a big four.
No, there were no "Pritchslaps" available. That doesn't prove there were no "good" offers on the table. No one here is a proponent of bad trades. That is a silly strawman. The issue, is that some of us prefer modest improvement to standing pat, while others want a homerun or nothing.
GIVE UP ON WHO??????? SERGIO? OUTLAW???? Nobody ever said we were trading Rudy Bayless or Oden And i still dont know about Batum... way too limited on offense
cause they are cheap contracts and for the john nash type gms out there. are you trying to be stupid? ever hear the expression..... "one mans trash is another mans treasure"
Maybe not! I happen to believe that Batum has great up-side. He will eclipse Wallace at his peak and likely be of more value to a team than Wallace. Maybe Butler as well. Just my opinion though.
Your assumption is invalid. The biggest Blazers assett to trade, wasn't even on the floor, it was the golden ticket Raef Lafrentz expiring contract. The Blazers had a gem to trade, and dropped the ball.
In fact??? As I've pointed out to you before, using the search feature around a specific date to find out what was actually said would clear up a lot of your wild guesses/misconceptions. But clearly you couldn't care less about being informed... you're here to troll and throw out cheap shots at a rival fanbase. Fyi, most of the talk about AS to PDX that got any run here was a RLEC and little else. Your logic sucks too. If Portland had traded for Amare at the deadline, how would he have passed the physical with a detached retina? STOMP
I think that assumption that it was a "golden ticket" is invalid. Big expiring contracts were talked up, but not only did LaFrentz not net anything, neither did Wally Sczerbiak's, which was even bigger. I think the idea that Pritchard had impact players offered to him, for LaFrentz's contract and nothing else of value, and turned them down is pretty silly, to be honest. Unless you think Pritchard is simply an idiot. Everyone assumed Stoudemire would be traded, for example, and for pennies on the dollar. That was clearly untrue. Kerr was clearly looking for good value back and when he didn't get it, pulled Stoudemire off the block. There's a pretty good chance that the media vastly overhyped the idea that teams were looking to dump good/great players simply to save money.
No...I'm not trying to be stupid. I'm sorry... I've heard the expression. I think it's a pretty silly way to approach the trade market in pro sports, though. If your assumption is that bad players will be treasured by some GM, you're going to be pretty disappointed every trade deadline.
i enjoy a nice boiled dinner, in fact i am making one as we speak. i frown upon squishy carrots though, they need to be prepared "al dente" to suitably please my palette.
All this may well be true, though it begs the question why KP talked up the value of the RLEC to the fan base. Why not just warn people not to expect anything in return, if indeed the contract had no value. The second possibility, is that KP was only interested in playing if he could hit a homerun. A modest upgrade just wasn't worthy of his interest. The third possible scenario, is that PA closed his wallet, and wasn't willing to give up the financial relief of letting Raef and Frye walk. Since we know for a fact that NO was willing to move Chandler in a straight salary dump, I have a hard time believing that *nothing* useful was on the market.
I am not asssuming he was offered a good player straight up, and nowhere did I say that. So good try at trying to put some words in my mouth that were never present. If you have a deal on the table to get a proven stud, for an expiring contract, and some talent which MIGHT, if you get extremely lucky, get one of the younger players to turn into a player of that high of value, your pull the fucking trigger. Let me see: I can have: A: Proven commodity tier 2 player with several productive years on his contract. B: An expiring contract when the salary cap is lowering next year, and a couple of young guys, who if I get lucky, will turn out to be as good as the player mentioned in section A. One of those being Outlaw, who is never going to be that level of player, ever. That is an easy choice.
I think we have a good shot to get the 7th spot, but yeah, 8th is a real possibility as well. And while I think, of course, there is a chance to miss the playoffs, I don't really see that happening. I'm really excited for the playoffs though. And then i'm excited for next season, and i'm excited for draft day because (I really hope so at least) we aren't going to get another rookie, and so we can deal our picks and some players and hopefully get a nice player! I guess KP feels most comfortable around draft day. We will be much better next year, in the same way we have gotten better every year for the past 3. The sky isn't falling, and we have a great core to build on, and its only going to expand. Personally, i'm very open to trading for someone like Monta Ellis to finish out our 24 and under starting 5 for the future (Ellis, Roy, Batum, Aldridge, Oden) because Ellis and GS management aren't really seeing eye-to-eye, but he is a special talent right along the lines of Devin Harris, but a couple years younger.
Even if that proven stud only has another couple of years as a stud, and you have to give up a player who may be anything from a good player to a really good player for the next ten years? If you think so, fine, but we'll have to disagree. Getting a player like Vince Carter to improve the team this year and maybe another year or two wouldn't have been worth giving up Batum. This is the worst Batum will ever be and he's contributing and already fairly decent. He's also years from his very best, but should be increasingly valuable every year until then. If the player in question were, say, Caron Butler, sure, of course you do that. But there's no indication that a player like Caron Butler was available. Let's not even get started on the massively overrated Richard Jefferson. Losing Batum for Jefferson would have been flatly awful.
I didn't read al the replies so maybe it's been said, but I could of sworn Portland was like one of the top two teams as far as offense, we are just also the slowest so we don't score as many points. But I could of sworn we were one of the most effective offenses.
