Fluctuating weekly MVP discussion.

Re: Wade new #2

take a chill pill and stop taking yourself so seriously

 

Re: Wade new #2

Kobe cannot make up for the passing and defensive deficiencies of his point guard, and swing men, and only and idiot would expect him to do so.

 

Re: Wade new #2

Too bad I don't expect him to do so. Swing and a miss.

 

Re: Wade new #2

Then why would you try to talk them up? Sasha and Puke better than DCook, or comparable? Brian Cook and Smush comments earlier?

You came in here confused about LA's roster.

Why is it False? You're being proven wrong everyday in NC. How don't those stats count?

Actually you just keep avoiding this:

Why are you comparing a legit big man to Lamar Odom? JON also provided the Heat and Raptors with reasonable interior defense this season, something any of those unfortunate but lovable Raptor fans here will tell you.

LO is essentially a small forward tweener, lol did you forget? This just shows how mediocre LO is as a second option.

Um why do some teams play small ball? Because they can compensate for their lack of interior presence with offense, what a concept.Kwame and Mihm offensively vs Marion-JON/Haslem/Beasley? Not even close there.

And for your information, Marion's rebound rate as well as Haslem has been quite serviceable; better rates than Odom dude. Sorry man.

You say some of these things as if it applies only to Wade's team, I'm sorry but his core consists of Marion-JON/Haslem/Beasley, ours of LO/Mihm/Kwame. What decisive advantage is there? If anything continuing to talk about this hurts your case. Marion and JO are also the best defenders in that trio.

Really you have all the Newspaper clippings saying a 34 win LA team was now comparable to the Phoenix suns?

What am I dodging?

Lol the point was you were saying Marion is only good because Nash magically makes him better. As proof you used Marion slowing down in Miami as vindication, when he was already past his prime in 2008.

You post so much and forget instantly what your original point was.

What is exactly your position? I don't think anyone understands why you're making so many excuses for one team losing, but not another.

So he plays defense?

So you admit he's a system point guard not capable of winning the MVP unless he is around the right team?

What does that have to do with the fact that the Heat's Big Men can play as effectively as our Tweener and Offensively/Defensively challenged Big Men?

How were they less productive then Odom?

How is it not tied to Kobe?

No I don't think you get the point at all, why should I think Wade would be as effective on the Cavs? Aren't you refusing as well to speculate on that matter?

Why should this be one-sided speculation?

It was a horrific injury that he couldn't get over even after an entire off-season, yeah that's even worse.

Ok, so he gets injured and then comes back healthy. And what does this have to do with the fact that he would be the MVP in either case?

I wasn't talking about you.

Nope, countless times you've commented on their comparable rosters. This point doesn't make any sense because the Heat have more depth than the Lakers at PF, and LA has anemic centers on offense.

Ok I just did.

How do they line up perfectly? Wade is struggling to win 44 games even though he's having an "epic" season. Lebron played with trash in the East and has done more before, so why is he not an MVP now? Kobe has done better with less around him than Wade, even according to your own words. Nothing you say lines up, you keep supporting one of the few non-Superstar MVPs too.

Why shouldn't they give it to the best player? A cop-out is relying on Nash's intangibles.

That's MVP caliber if you only succeed in the right situation?

Yes the fifth best record! Wow such fancy words for a 47 win team that should have been eliminated by the Mavericks, not the Suns. You also came into this conversation completely ignoring the flawed seeding system in the NBA.

Ok, and?

This coming from the guy who skimmed over both rosters when it comes to defense and shooting, or claiming Sasha/Puke/Brian Cook were serviceable? Or the comments you made about Odom being a rebounding machine as a second option?

Losing Caron Butler makes us a better team?

 

Re: Wade new #2

So Kobe gets criticized for not making his teammates better when they do not have the talent to pass the ball, or play defense?

Swing and miss.

 

Re: Wade new #2

I love messing with you (I make a light hearted joke and you get this pissed?) because you just make yourself look worse by having a tantrum. I know exactly how well Wade does on defense, it isn't nearly as impressive as you think. He gives up 21/7/7 to opposing PGs, 20/4/6 to SGs, and he can't defend SFs because of his size. He cheats on the strong side for steals, gambles way too much on defense. He makes up for it with some blocks but it is nothing special taking everything into account. Kobe still locks down opponents better.

It makes sense though, because his team is still not dominating games.

 

Re: Wade new #2

Have I not said that Smush is, at best, an off-guard shooter off the bench? Kobe was the reason Smush able to average 12 points a game.

At least use the right grammar. Fail.

 

Kobe didn't deserve MVP in 05-06, because Nash made his teammates better. Wade makes his teammates better as well, so he deserves MVP this year. Kobe doesn't make his teammates better.

Suns without Nash and Amare would be worse than the Lakers, in 05-06 without Kobe.

Thomas-Diaw-Marion-Bell-Barbosa

Kwame-Lamar-Luke-Sasha-Parker

^ Lakers would win more than 25 games, Suns would win less than 25 games.

D. Wade is the best defender in the NBA.

 

Wade and Kobe have comparable rosters in 09/06 respectively, but Wade shouldn't be penalized for only winning 44 games. Kobe should because Nash is so clearly the MVP.

 

Re: Wade new #2

Thus you admit Kobe makes his teammates better. From a scrub who cannot even play in the NBA, to a 12 ppg player.

You're tell me to use grammar?

 

Re: Wade new #2

Wade gives up 19 PER for PGs, and over 15 PER for shooting guards.

21.6 7 and 7 per 48 against PGs, 20 4 6 against SGs. Even rookie Chalmers does a better job.

 

Re: Wade new #2

Link me to wherever you got this from.

Are you going to fault him for this, too?

Is nothing special? lol

Through fault of his own, for the 40 millionth time.

So you're essentially admitting that this isn't a serious debate, and you're just being a retard for the sake of being a retard.


So, bye.

 

For him to be responding like this is either

a) he is that retarded

b) he is just fooling around and needs something better to do with his time, like getting a life

 

Re: Wade new #2

I denied this?

Maybe spelling would be more accurate.

 

Re: Wade new #2

No, you kept on saying Wade makes his teammates better, unlike Kobe, and does a better job of doing so. So give me an example.

 

This from the*NO PERSONAL ATTACKS* that had enough to time on his hands to troll the Blazer forum after the Ariza incident, nearly resulting in that whole crew leaving and setting the site he moderates back in a big way? Kid, you're a *NO PERSONAL ATTACKS*.

 

Re: Wade new #2

Man I feel so good right now , I can't believe you're breaking down like that after a few comments I made. you take things way too seriously.

Dude you lost sorry. You said Wade is the best defender in the league, when he so obviously is not. 82games tracks his production given up, it is nothing to write home about. I even ignored how he gets torched by SFs, something Kobe can actually manage to stop.