<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Mar 24 2006, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>he brought up last year's playoffs bc it was the playoffs. Nothing was as important this year as the playoffs are every year. It was on a big stage, so easy for comparison. He couldn't have gotten the same point across if he was talking about one of this year's games. okay, we know Nash can run an offense better than Kidd. but offense isn't everything. Defense is actually more important than offense, as the Spurs and Pistons have proved already.</div>That is ridiculous. The pg's main job is to run the offense and to say that defense for a pg is more important then running the whole team's offense is just stubborn and stupid.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 24 2006, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets have 3 very good scoring options. Nash had 2 that were considered good scorers the year before and they weren't even that great. In Nash's run and gun offense he makes his teammates alot better and helps them get easy baskets. It's no the apg, it's the fact that Nash is takin an otherwise dismal team and turning them into the best offense in the League.</div>First of all, it isn't Nash's offense. It is the coach's offense. On Dallas Nash had much better supporting cast and they weren't better than Suns because of different offenses. Nash's whole team can shoot and score and run with Nash, Kidd has 3 player he can depend on. Marion is better than both VC and RJ, and the supporting cast is better than the Nets team. With Amare back, Amare and Marion>VC, RJ and Krstic. Again, look back a few years back to see what kidd did, or just look at KMart and see what has happenned with his all start status. Again, if Nash played defense as well as Kidd, Suns might have beaten Spurs last year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 24 2006, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, it isn't Nash's offense. It is the coach's offense. On Dallas Nash had much better supporting cast and they weren't better than Suns because of different offenses. Nash's whole team can shoot and score and run with Nash, Kidd has 3 player he can depend on. Marion is better than both VC and RJ, and the supporting cast is better than the Nets team. With Amare back, Amare and Marion>VC, RJ and Krstic. Again, look back a few years back to see what kidd did, or just look at KMart and see what has happenned with his all start status. Again, if Nash played defense as well as Kidd, Suns might have beaten Spurs last year.</div>Coach D'Antoni designed the offense but it is Nash that runs it to perfection. Nash can run the fast break offense better then Kidd can run the fast break offense or any offense. Kidd has 3 players' that he can depend on but that is because he doesn't make the best out of what he has. He doesn't have the talent that Nash has in terms of making his teammates better with the offense. Are you kidding me? Marion is not a better offensive player then Vince Carter let alone, with Jefferson too, no way. The supporting cast on the Suns can shoot, the people on the Nets can do that too. LKidd just has to make use of it better. That may be true but look what Nash did this year, without Amare. That is what we are looking at right now. Nash has only played 1 ga,e with Amare this year and they scored 120 points. This is not a few years ago. I acknowledge what Kidd did but this is who is the better player right now not who has the best accolades.
You cannot compare them this year, as they are totally different situations. I bring up a few years ago not because of Kidd's talenent level, only because they were on very similar teams. That Nets team led league in fastbreak points, I think PPG, Kidd wa sleading in assists, 2nd in MVP voting, and led team to 2 straight Finals appearences and year after was only team to bring the champion Pistons to 7 games. Kidd can run the fastbreak better than ANYONE. Period. The Nets offense this year is not geared to the fastbreak, so it makes him much less valuable. In 2002-2004 he did have mini-Suns team in terms of fastbreak, and ran it better than Nash does. Nets have players who can shoot? What? This shows me you know nothing about the Nets. Suns are ALL shooters, ALL of them. Nets have no shooters. Period. They SUCK. Look at the box scores. Kidd/RJ/VC all get about 60 PPG, and the rest of team gets around 30 PPG. About 15 of those are Krstic's/ That leaves 15 PPG for the starting PF position and whole bench. Krstic can't shoot over defenses, and only reason he is effective is because Kidd gives him the wide open looks. RJ can't shoot the outside jumper unless he is WIDE open. Carter is only person on team I can consider a shooter and efficient shooter, and he is very sketchy at times. Also, marion is far better than VC. First of all, he can defend anyone in league (just ask Dirk) very effectively, and is a darkhorse candidate for DPOY every year. Offensively, he has always been far more efficient on offense, even before Nash came. he is also a better rebounder and steal guy. RJ is nowhere near VC or Marion's level.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>That is ridiculous. The pg's main job is to run the offense and to say that defense for a pg is more important then running the whole team's offense is just stubborn and stupid.</div>Well Kidd does both, that's why he's the better player. He can run a team as good as Nash can and play defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 24 2006, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So Kidd is so unlucky. He has no talent to work with. Only Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson</div> He has to run with Nenad Krstic, Jason Collins and Clifford Robinson.
But Nash can run with his whole team. The whole Suns team can run and spot up for 3. Nets can't, only VC and RJ, but since VC doesn't play D, steals and fastbreak oppertunities are pretty rare here in NJ.
Steve Nash has quick players everywhere. Bell, Diaw, Marion, Amare, Jones are all quick. Outside of Carter and Jefferson the Nets don't have anyone.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 25 2006, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But Nash can run with his whole team. The whole Suns team can run and spot up for 3. Nets can't, only VC and RJ, but since VC doesn't play D, steals and fastbreak oppertunities are pretty rare here in NJ.</div>Most guards in the NBA can make open 3 pointers. Nets are no exception.
The Suns run the offense where they just kick it out to the perimeter players. Thus why Q and Joe had so many 3pt attemps last year.
Carter and Jefferson can shoot as well. Like I said pretty much every guard in the NBA can shoot. Nash just gets them open looks because he draws double teams.
No, you are wrong. You don't watch Suns games. They get so many 3 point attempts off fast breaks. Nash runs down middle, and then 3 other players spread out to wing for open 3. That is the Suns bread and butter. That is what made Joe Johnson into an all star and why he got such a fat contract with Atlanta, and same for QRich. This year Raja Bell, Eddie House, and the gang are getting those shots. In NJ, that doesn't happen because the style of offense. And RJ can't hit 3 point shots, and neither can any of the Nets outside Old Man Robinson and Carter.
Yes, I actually do watch the Suns game. You explained it the same way I did basically. Do the Nets need to hit 3 point shots? With Carter and Jefferson I think they should do more of a running offense. They need an athletic Power Forward first though.
No, you said Nash attracts double teams and then dishes it out. That isn't true. It is all about the fastbreaking offense and the players they built around him.You are exactly right about NJ, but VC is a <Censored> defender which slows down the fastbreak, we have no big men outside Krstic to get rebounds to get it out to Kidd, and it just won't work with the slow team NJ has.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 25 2006, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, you said Nash attracts double teams and then dishes it out. That isn't true. It is all about the fastbreaking offense and the players they built around him.You are exactly right about NJ, but VC is a <Censored> defender which slows down the fastbreak, we have no big men outside Krstic to get rebounds to get it out to Kidd, and it just won't work with the slow team NJ has.</div>I meant when he goes inside, he usually dishes it out to Marion or someone else for the dunk so two people go into the paint and guard him when he is running then he kicks it out to the corner for a 3 pt shot. Wait I thought you were a Rockets fan.
Rockets and Nets fan. I am from NJ, life long NJ fan, and always follow the team. I started as a Rocket fan only last year, when T-Mac arrived.I am done with this arguement. On a funny note, I'm going to the Nets game on Monday when they play the Suns, so I will be up close and personal and really dissect their games. AMARE IS BACK!!
