Yes, everyone falls in love with flashy play and "upside" but when it comes right down to it, right now Steve Blake is a better PG than Russell Westbrook. Westbrook had a slight edge in PER (15.2 vs. 14.8) going into tonight's game. After Blake totally outplayed Westbrook tonight, the gap will be even more narrow (probably something like 15.1 vs. 14.9). But consider this: ORtg - DRtg: Blake 119 - 111 = +8 Westbrook 100 - 110 = -10 Blake produces 8 more points than he gives up per 100 possessions. Westbrook gives up 10 more points than he produces. Yes, Westbrook is young and very athletic, and will likely improve as he gains experience but right now, today, Blake will win more games for his team than Westbrook. Westbrook scores more, but Blake is a much more efficient scorer. Westbrook also turns the ball over more than twice as much as Blake. Blake's AST/TO ratio = 3.125. Westbrook's AST/TO ratio is an unimpressive 1.5. BNM
Neither. Durant is over four years younger than Roy, and I think he's got a much larger chance of becoming a top 5-10 NBA player than Roy, which is a pretty good definition of a superstar, I think. Ed O.
In many* aggregated stat sets, Roy's #7 in the league... which puts him in the top 10. So neither is not exactly the most correct of answers by your own criteria. *many may actually only be Hollinger... it's late and I'm delerious.
Roy is currently 7th in the league in PPG, 7th is total points, 7th in PER, 4th in Offensive Rating, 3rd in Offensive Win Shares and 7th in Total Win Shares. Sounds like he's already a top 10 player to me - and still getting better. BNM
Yeah. I don't think he's a top 10 player, and I don't think many people would agree with you. I love stats and all, and I love Brandon, but I think it's a stretch to think that he's one of the 10 best players in the NBA. Ed O.
I would humbly submit (and since All-NBA teams haven't been published yet, I could be wrong) that through various places in the print, television, radio and online universe Roy's about as consensus a #7-9 MVP candidate as you'll find. Second- or Third-Team All-NBA, depending on how they divvy up the guard positions (if they put K*be #1 SG and Wade #2 SG, rather than K*be and Wade as First-Team guards...then Paul and Roy, then the rest.) Since Roy's already Top 5-10, I don't think Durant has a "much larger chance" of being a top 5-10 since 100% is about as good as you can get. If you say that Durant's chances of winning an MVP are higher, I'll give you that, though I think I could debate that as well. If Top 5-10 is "superstar", Roy's there.
Huh? The StatHead refutes that actual stats? Roy is a Top 10 player in the NBA right now, and to think differently by any matrix is laughable.
Well then, we're just going to have to disagree. I clearly stated the basis for my opinion. What's yours? What if Roy makes 2nd team all-NBA or comes in within the top 10 in MVP voting? Will that change your opinion? If either of those happen, it will clearly show that "many" people agree with me. BNM
so you don't think roy is currently a top 5-10 nba player? because he is. absolutely no doubt about it. oh and i guess i should have read the rest of the thread as you addressed the point on this page. you are wrong though. roy is definitely a top 10 player.
Why? The stats certainly support it. Watching him, he certainly looks pretty dominant. Outside of the natural inclination to be skeptical of one's own players (to compensate for favouritism), what would make you think that that the stats lie?
LeBron Kobe Wade Howard Those guys are locks. Chris Paul Kevin Garnett Tim Duncan I think those guys are all clearly superior. That leaves Roy to beat out all but two of the rest of the NBA to be in the top 10. Tony Parker. Yao Ming. Paul Pierce. Carmelo Anthony. Chris Bosh. Chauncy Billups. Dirk Nowitzki. I just don't think it's very likely that he's better than every other player, save two. Ed O.
NBA.com has listed Roy in the top 8 in the MVP race all season long. So there is a person who would agree with us. And just wait for the MVP voting results. Roy will be top 10. Also, Roy will definitely make All NBA Second Team. I mean, Wade & Roy are the guards in First Team. Paul and Roy are second team. What SG is better than Roy in this league? No one. The only one who is close is Joe Johnson and Roy is better than him. I can't believe you don't see this, Ed O. Roy is a top 7 player in this league. Easily. And lots of people would agree with me. Just ask the coaches. Byron Scott says he prepares for Roy like he prepares for Kobe,Paul, & LeBron. And when it all comes down to it, winning is what matters. #7 in 7th in scoring on the 7th best team in the NBA. That makes him Top 10 no doubt.
Instead of comparing rookie Westbrook to veteran Blake, the real issue is Westbrook vs Bayless. I like Bayless, but if I had to bet good money on which would become a better *PG*, I would have to bet on Westbrook. It is even odds Bayless winds up as a SG, rather than our PG of the future. One other point. KP and Presti were "litter-mates" out of the SA system. Odds are Presti becomes a damn good GM in his own right. Nothing he has done so far indicts otherwise. If he takes advantage of all the 1st round picks he has accumulated - watch out.
i'll give you lebron, wade, kobe, paul, dwight, and duncan(not in order). and that's it. after those 6 is the group of roy, garnett, and yao(not in order) with dirk trailing a little behind to round out the top 10. really look at what roy has done this season and compare it to what other players have done. he's a top 10 guy. 23, 5, and 5 on 48% shooting with 38% from 3. he's got the 7th best PER in the league leading the team with the 7th best record(5th in point differential).
KG? Paul Pierce? Chris Bosh? It looks like you're thinking of how good these guys were two years ago.
Roy is better than Garnett at this point in KG's career. And he's better than Parker, Pierce, Melo, Bosh, Billups, and Dirk easily.
