Exactly my point, he doesn't have to put up big numbers to easily win 60 games. Kobe and Bron do, and both are getting teams into 7th and 4th seeds, respectively. Dirk isn't msot valubale player as his team would easily make playoffs without him. Cavs and Lakers would have #1 and #2 picks in 2006 draft without their stars.They have 8 wins less, and by end of season probably only 6-7 wins less. That is amazing considering rocky start and all that has gone on.
Well, by saying that, that's basically saying the Lakers suck (which can be split-decided on), and the Cavs aren't special (could be true).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Waqas @ Mar 26 2006, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, by saying that, that's basically saying the Lakers suck (which can be split-decided on), and the Cavs aren't special (could be true).</div><span style="color:#CC0000">Owned.</span>
See I don't buy the argument that Kobe's or Lebron are the best team cause their respective teams wouldn't make the playoffs.I also don't think it's fair to say that Dirk isn't the MVP because he has a good team. I mean the fact that he's the only one of the Big 3 left on the team must have absolutely nothing to do with how great they are.Who's to say the Mavs are a playoff team without him? I personally think they might be good enough the get the 8 seed without him...but really, how good is that?Not that great...I mean Nash has a good team, and without him that team would be garbage...he's the one that makes that team go, not Amare and he proved it this year.I'd make the same argument for Dirk...but Dirk is almost never injured, so we don't get to see what the Mavs are like witout him.This is just a complex thing to figure out, cause you could vote so many different ways.
[quote name='Nitro1118' post='23099' date='Mar 25 2006, 01:23 PM']It is player who is doing most for his team, and if you took him off the team, they'd be lottery bound.Unlike AI, Kobe is doing it in the western conference in a much tougher division, and his numbers are better than AI has ever put up.[/quote]OK, so then Kobe is doing more for his team than Nash is? Yeah, I don't think so!What makes Kobe's stats better than anything AI has ever put up? His PPG? Wow, that makes a lot of sense! I guess assists have nothing to do with it? No doubt Kobe is playing like crazy, but AI's all around stats have been better than Kobe's all around stats in almost every other season, so there goes that argument.Your basis for Kobe being the MVP was that if you take him off the Lakers, they would be a lottery team, right? So stick with that. If you took AI off the Sixers in every season, including this one, they wouldn't be a playoff team, therefore he should have won the MVP more than once, according to your definition of an MVP. Hm...Also, Kobe being in a "tougher division" has nothing to do with anything. I'll give you the tougher conference part for a little while, but divisions are overrated. Think about it. It's not like you play teams in your division more than you play teams in your conference, is it? You play all teams in your conference three or four times, so the division is thrown out the window. You'd have a point if you played teams in your division around six times and teams in your conference two or three, but that doesn't happen. Now, let me just say this to clear things up. I don't think Dirk will win the MVP, but I do believe he is more deserving of it than Kobe is.Also, can you please make up your mind. First you say the West is the tougher conference, now you say that the East is so much stronger than you gave it credit for before. Which one is it?You were the one who brought up LBJ, not me.There are two ways of interpreting what the MVP award means, as I said in previous posts:1. Best player in the league.2. Best player/player with biggest impact on the best team or one of the best teams in the league.Historically, the second definition has been the criteria for the MVP award being handed out, am I right? So, Kobe does not fit that description. Neither does LBJ, or AI. You have to look at what definition of the MVP the voters look at... not what you personally believe. Since Artest joined the Kings, they are 17-10... that is a pace of 52 or 53 wins if applied over the course of an entire season.Artest has made a huge impact on the Kings, but by no means is he the MVP of the league. All I was saying is that he has had a big impact on the Kings since he was traded there. Your main criteria for giving Kobe the MVP was because the Lakers would be a lottery team without him, right? So, the Kings would be a lottery team without Artest.Your definition is very, very vague, and can apply to so many players in this league, and that is why it is not used to determine the MVP of the league.Plus, if Kobe hadn't scored 81 points against the Raptors, his name wouldn't be in the MVP discussion. That is the only reason it is... and that brings us to this point. You don't give a player an MVP award based on one game... it is based on an entire season.Bottom line is that Kobe is having a great season, but he does not deserve to win the MVP award.[quote name='KMart' post='23344' date='Mar 25 2006, 07:53 PM']And I don't get how valuable AI is. His team isn't great, but they should be doing miles better than they are right now. I've always viewed AI as a top tier player in NBA History, but he really is letting me down this year[/quote]Take it from someone who watches the Sixers everyday... it's not AI's fault they are doing poorly, it is the GM's job. He has constructed a team that has so many holes. Also, had the Sixers been able to avoid their fourth quarter/late game breakdowns, they would have about 10 more wins than they currently have.The Sixers should be a top five team in the East, but the little things that they can control are what have been stopping them.AI should be taking the majority of the shots down the stretch, or atleast have the ball in his hands down the stretch. For some reason, the Sixers don't realize that, and would rather give the ball to Webber or John Salmons down the stretch. Why? Don't ask me...
Good points, man. I meant East has more talent, West has better teams. Now, here's how the MVP stuff works out...There are the idiots who think their team's best player deserves it a lot (Kobe fans, AI fans, LeBron fans, etc.)... then there are....SMART people, who know the MVP is only going to belong to those who mix talent in with good team play.Kobe does not do that, AI does not do that, LeBron has not been able to consistently handle it. Only a handul players in the league HAVE...-Chauncey Billups-Tim Duncan-Shawn Marion-Steve Nash-Dirk Nowitzki-Rip Hamilton-Tony Parker-Dwyane WadeLook at this list, I can already eliminate Duncan. Why? Because he's won the MVP twice, lowering votes for him this season.See, the reason I'm ALWAYS right is because I actually think like an analyst, not always like an obsessed fan, even though I can and still be right.That leaves us with...-Chauncey Billups-Rip Hamilton-Shawn Marion-Steve Nash-Dirk Nowitzki-Tony Parker-Dwyane WadeRip goes out simply because there's too much talent on Detroit, and Chauncey is the MVP candidate from Detroit.-Chauncey Billups-Shawn Marion-Steve Nash-Dirk Nowitzki-Tony Parker-Dwyane WadeTony Parker isn't going to win it simply because he's just not the guy, if you can understand what I mean. He's not even the best Spur on the team, and the best isn't a STRONG, STRONG candidate, so that's why Parker isn't one, as well.Now...-Chauncey Billups-Shawn Marion-Steve Nash-Dirk Nowitzki-Dwyane WadeChauncey Billups has to pretty much go out because Detroit's starting lineup is almost even. Rasheed, Prince, Rip, and Billups all compliment eachother, so for Chauncey, it'll be VERY tough...-Shawn Marion-Steve Nash-Dirk Nowitzki-Dwyane WadeLet's make Steve Nash and Marion into one contender, and we'll leave that for later. Let's talk about Wade, now...Wade is definitely playing like an MVP, exploding since the All-Star Break, winning-wise, as well, and Miami looked very tough. However, Wade's losses against the elite teams are going to make him lose the race.Now, we have three guys...-Shawn Marion-Steve Nash-Dirk NowitzkiObviously, Marion isn't winning it, but there are two views to this argument.Let's look at Nash's case first...Steve Nash has played without Amare Stoudemire, basically a 26-10 guy, to be replaced with a player, even though playing very well at center, has not played like Amare.Nash is still averaging a double-double with assists, which is almost impossible to get, unless passing better than even a super-star!Nash is only getting his MVP case on one side of the court, but Phoenix has proven they can win lots of games and make it far in the playoffs while doing so.Let's take a look at Dirk's case...Nowitzki is a great passer (don't look at the stats, watch him), great scorer (48% FG, 42% 3FG, 90% FT), great rebounder (10 RPG in March), and even a great defender.Now, why is Nowitzki a good defender? Simple.He's very high in the Tendex Defensive Ratings, which I will provide a link for a little later. Also, watch Dirk on defense, and you'll see he is RARELY scored on. He's an excellent pick-and-roll defender to add on to that.The only problem is that Nash is getting more attention, but here is Dirk's most vital case...Raja Bell is better than Adrian Griffin.Shawn Marion is better than Josh Howard.Boris Diaw is better than Diop or Damp.And if you look at Dallas's Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Terry, and Josh Howard, and Phoenix's Steve Nash, Shawn Marion, and Raja Bell, you'll see that Dirk is MORE talented than Jason Terry and Josh Howard than NASH IS MORE TALENTED than Shawn Marion or Bell!What I'm trying to say is that...Dirk's talent has a larger gap between the second best player on Dallas (Jason Terry) than Steve Nash's talent gap between the second best player on his team (Shawn Marion).That's why Dirk has a strong chance, still.SO WE COME TO THE END, REALIZING...The race is between Dirk and Nash!!
Posted by: BigMo763:OK, so then Kobe is doing more for his team than Nash is? Yeah, I don't think so!Yes, he is literally carrying his team. So is Nahs, but for Lakers to win every night, Kobe must get over 35 points. Nash doesn't necassarily need to get 20/11 to win.Posted by: BigMo763:What makes Kobe's stats better than anything AI has ever put up? His PPG? Wow, that makes a lot of sense! I guess assists have nothing to do with it? No doubt Kobe is playing like crazy, but AI's all around stats have been better than Kobe's all around stats in almost every other season, so there goes that argument.Kobe is shooting 45% to go with 35PPG (once again, most since Jordan in 80's). AI is also having an amazing year, but his team has vastly underachived in the weakest division in basketball, and weaker conferance. AI also has a much better team around him, and his 2nd option can carry scoring load while Odom can't. Kobe's team, on the other hand, is definately overachieving.Posted by: BigMo763:Your basis for Kobe being the MVP was that if you take him off the Lakers, they would be a lottery team, right? So stick with that. If you took AI off the Sixers in every season, including this one, they wouldn't be a playoff team, therefore he should have won the MVP more than once, according to your definition of an MVP. Hm...I am not saying Kobe deserves to be MVP, I feel Nash deserves it more. As for AI, except for the one year he won MVP, his FG % has been in very low 40's/high 30's, TO's in very high 3's/4's, and up until last year, assists weren't too great. He also didn't play 21 games in 01-02, didn't play 33 games in 03-04, and has only played 60 games this season. Posted by: BigMo763:Also, Kobe being in a "tougher division" has nothing to do with anything. I'll give you the tougher conference part for a little while, but divisions are overrated. Think about it. It's not like you play teams in your division more than you play teams in your conference, is it? You play all teams in your conference three or four times, so the division is thrown out the window. You'd have a point if you played teams in your division around six times and teams in your conference two or three, but that doesn't happen.You play teams in your conference 3 times, and in division 4. That puts LA against against the other LA, Clippers, etc... I never said Kobe was in tougher division than Dirk. If you meant AI, AI has to play the Nets, Celtics, Toronto, and Knicks 4 times a year. Wow....Posted by: BigMo763:Now, let me just say this to clear things up. I don't think Dirk will win the MVP, but I do believe he is more deserving of it than Kobe is.And I feel Kobe is much more deserving.Posted by: BigMo763:Also, can you please make up your mind. First you say the West is the tougher conference, now you say that the East is so much stronger than you gave it credit for before. Which one is it?Yes, I said East is much stronger than it used to be, as opposed to 01-04. But no, I never said it is stronger than West. Top to bottom, West is much tougher.You were the one who brought up LBJ, not me.I know, as I feel he deserves to be in the top 3 candidates.Posted by: BigMo763:There are two ways of interpreting what the MVP award means, as I said in previous posts1. Best player in the league.2. Best player/player with biggest impact on the best team or one of the best teams in the league.Historically, the second definition has been the criteria for the MVP award being handed out, am I right? So, Kobe does not fit that description. Neither does LBJ, or AI. You have to look at what definition of the MVP the voters look at... not what you personally believe.[/quote][/quote]It is not just me who feels Kobe should be #2 in voting. People on ESPN, TNT, ABC, different sites, all believe if Kobe can get his team into playoffs, he should be MVP. He is breaking records this year, he is single handedly carrying his terrible team to 7th place in a strong West. Literally, if he doesn't get his 35-40 points, LA has NO chance in winning. And normally voters wouldn't look at Kobe, but because of all the broken records and amazing PPG average, he is definatelly getting many looks. I guarentee you he will be #2 on MVP voting. Posted by: BigMo763:Since Artest joined the Kings, they are 17-10... that is a pace of 52 or 53 wins if applied over the course of an entire season.Artest has made a huge impact on the Kings, but by no means is he the MVP of the league. All I was saying is that he has had a big impact on the Kings since he was traded there. Your main criteria for giving Kobe the MVP was because the Lakers would be a lottery team without him, right? So, the Kings would be a lottery team without Artest.Yes, he has made a huge impact similar to what VC did for Nets. But without him, Kings would still be exactly a 34 win team, but some of that is due to injury of Bonzi Wells and others. That is far from lottery. Posted by: BigMo763:Your definition is very, very vague, and can apply to so many players in this league, and that is why it is not used to determine the MVP of the league.Plus, if Kobe hadn't scored 81 points against the Raptors, his name wouldn't be in the MVP discussion. That is the only reason it is... and that brings us to this point. You don't give a player an MVP award based on one game... it is based on an entire season.....and for the season he is averaging 35PPG....something no one has seen in this age of basketball, and not seen since MJ in 80's. It isn't just because of one game. Looka t his 5-6 game streak of 45 points or more. Look at 2 games of over 60 points, 4 games over 50, 21 games over 40 points, 46 games over 30 points. It isn't just him single handedly carrying his team, it is also the fact that he is doing things this year we haven't seen since the 80's. He is by far and away the best player in the league this year, and his team is good enough and playoff bound to where he is definately a top 2 candidate for MVP. Posted by: BigMo763:Bottom line is that Kobe is having a great season, but he does not deserve to win the MVP award.He is not having a great season, he is having a season better than anyone else's since 1987-1988 when MJ got 35PPG. By season's end, Kobe will be in top 10 scoring averages for a season all time, #2 on points scored in single game, 2nd most games of over 30 points in league, most games of over 40 points, most games over 50 points, most games of over 60 points, and his crap team will be in 7th seed of playoffs. Again, i am not saying Dirk isn't having an amazing season, as he is. i lvoe Dirk, and think he is great, but Kobe is having an historical season and willing his crappy team to a fairly decent seed in playoffs. I feel that he is more valuable to his team than Dirk is, feel he is having a far better season, and feel that it is a 2 man race between him and Nash (although I feel Bron, Dirk, Melo, Billuips, Wade, etc... all deserve to get nods).
No idea, they aren't working for me.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Waqas @ Mar 26 2006, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Good points, man. I meant East has more talent, West has better teams. Now, here's how the MVP stuff works out...There are the idiots who think their team's best player deserves it a lot (Kobe fans, AI fans, LeBron fans, etc.)... then there are....SMART people, who know the MVP is only going to belong to those who mix talent in with good team play.Kobe does not do that, AI does not do that, LeBron has not been able to consistently handle it. Only a handul players in the league HAVE...-Chauncey Billups-Tim Duncan-Shawn Marion-Steve Nash-Dirk Nowitzki-Rip Hamilton-Tony Parker-Dwyane WadeLook at this list, I can already eliminate Duncan. Why? Because he's won the MVP twice, lowering votes for him this season.See, the reason I'm ALWAYS right is because I actually think like an analyst, not always like an obsessed fan, even though I can and still be right.That leaves us with...-Chauncey Billups-Rip Hamilton-Shawn Marion-Steve Nash-Dirk Nowitzki-Tony Parker-Dwyane WadeRip goes out simply because there's too much talent on Detroit, and Chauncey is the MVP candidate from Detroit.-Chauncey Billups-Shawn Marion-Steve Nash-Dirk Nowitzki-Tony Parker-Dwyane WadeTony Parker isn't going to win it simply because he's just not the guy, if you can understand what I mean. He's not even the best Spur on the team, and the best isn't a STRONG, STRONG candidate, so that's why Parker isn't one, as well.Now...-Chauncey Billups-Shawn Marion-Steve Nash-Dirk Nowitzki-Dwyane WadeChauncey Billups has to pretty much go out because Detroit's starting lineup is almost even. Rasheed, Prince, Rip, and Billups all compliment eachother, so for Chauncey, it'll be VERY tough...-Shawn Marion-Steve Nash-Dirk Nowitzki-Dwyane WadeLet's make Steve Nash and Marion into one contender, and we'll leave that for later. Let's talk about Wade, now...Wade is definitely playing like an MVP, exploding since the All-Star Break, winning-wise, as well, and Miami looked very tough. However, Wade's losses against the elite teams are going to make him lose the race.Now, we have three guys...-Shawn Marion-Steve Nash-Dirk NowitzkiObviously, Marion isn't winning it, but there are two views to this argument.Let's look at Nash's case first...Steve Nash has played without Amare Stoudemire, basically a 26-10 guy, to be replaced with a player, even though playing very well at center, has not played like Amare.Nash is still averaging a double-double with assists, which is almost impossible to get, unless passing better than even a super-star!Nash is only getting his MVP case on one side of the court, but Phoenix has proven they can win lots of games and make it far in the playoffs while doing so.Let's take a look at Dirk's case...Nowitzki is a great passer (don't look at the stats, watch him), great scorer (48% FG, 42% 3FG, 90% FT), great rebounder (10 RPG in March), and even a great defender.Now, why is Nowitzki a good defender? Simple.He's very high in the Tendex Defensive Ratings, which I will provide a link for a little later. Also, watch Dirk on defense, and you'll see he is RARELY scored on. He's an excellent pick-and-roll defender to add on to that.The only problem is that Nash is getting more attention, but here is Dirk's most vital case...Raja Bell is better than Adrian Griffin.Shawn Marion is better than Josh Howard.Boris Diaw is better than Diop or Damp.And if you look at Dallas's Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Terry, and Josh Howard, and Phoenix's Steve Nash, Shawn Marion, and Raja Bell, you'll see that Dirk is MORE talented than Jason Terry and Josh Howard than NASH IS MORE TALENTED than Shawn Marion or Bell!What I'm trying to say is that...Dirk's talent has a larger gap between the second best player on Dallas (Jason Terry) than Steve Nash's talent gap between the second best player on his team (Shawn Marion).That's why Dirk has a strong chance, still.SO WE COME TO THE END, REALIZING...The race is between Dirk and Nash!!</div>Still....people don't realize Kobe needs to score 35PPG for his team to win and to be successful. When he doesn't, they ge tblown out. if you hold that against Kobe, then you shouldn't be posting about MVP's.
Now, before I respond, let me just clarify one thing that I think I might not have made clear enough. I am by no means saying Iverson should be a MVP candidate this year, nor do I belive he should win it. I was saying that if Kobe wins the MVP award this year for the reasons that were mentioned, then AI and Shaq should have won more than one MVP award each because they also fill the same criteria.I just had to clarify that, because from reading some posts I think you guys got the wrong impression of what I was trying to say.[quote name='Nitro1118' post='23835' date='Mar 26 2006, 12:32 PM']Yes, he is literally carrying his team. So is Nahs, but for Lakers to win every night, Kobe must get over 35 points. Nash doesn't necassarily need to get 20/11 to win.[/quote]OK, if you take Nash off the Suns, with or without Amare, they don't make the playoffs. If you take Kobe off the Lakers, the Lakers are a lottery team. Now, the Suns with Nash and without Amare will win somewhere between 50 and 57 games this season. The Lakers will win anywhere between 41 and 45 games. Now, the Suns falling from their record to out of the playoffs is a bigger drop than the Lakers falling from their record to the lottery.Now, for the sake of argument, let's assume that the fall of both teams are equal. I'd still give Nash the edge because his team is one of the best in the league, while Kobe's is in the middle of the pack or slightly above. I agree with almost everything you said, however, I think you misunderstood what I was saying, which hopefully I cleared up at the beginning of this post. I would start talking about why the Sixers are struggling, but that is off-topic, and most of it has nothing to do with Iverson. I might be wrong, but I don't think that whether a team is in your division or not determines how many times you play them each season. Either way, playing an extra game against teams in your division compared to teams in your conference isn't that big of a difference (assuming that your explanation is truly the way it is determined, which I don't think it is).But again, this point ties back into what I said in the beginning of my post, so there is no need to linger on it anymore. I just didn't clarify enough what I was trying to prove with my AI comparison. I know there are people who feel that way, but there are a lot more analysts, experts, writers, etc., who feel he doesn't belong in the top 2 candidates. Personally, I believe he should be included in the debate, but he shouldn't win the award, nor do I think he will finish in the top two in voting. The highest he will finish will probably be third.Again, I believe Kobe is having a great season, but I still believe that Dirk is more deserving simply because of where his team sits in the West. Like I said in my other post, historically the MVP award goes to the best player, or the player with the biggest impact, on the best team, or one of the best teams, in the league.Right now, the race should only be between Nash and Dirk, with Nash being the favorite. Other players are included in the debate, but they shouldn't be given the award over Dirk or Nash, in my opinion.
Now, before I respond, let me just clarify one thing that I think I might not have made clear enough. I am by no means saying Iverson should be a MVP candidate this year, nor do I belive he should win it. I was saying that if Kobe wins the MVP award this year for the reasons that were mentioned, then AI and Shaq should have won more than one MVP award each because they also fill the same criteria.I just had to clarify that, because from reading some posts I think you guys got the wrong impression of what I was trying to say.I did get wrong impression, although I feel Kobe is having much more of a season than AI ever has had.OK, if you take Nash off the Suns, with or without Amare, they don't make the playoffs. If you take Kobe off the Lakers, the Lakers are a lottery team. Now, the Suns with Nash and without Amare will win somewhere between 50 and 57 games this season. The Lakers will win anywhere between 41 and 45 games. Now, the Suns falling from their record to out of the playoffs is a bigger drop than the Lakers falling from their record to the lottery.Nash is my MVP, but Suns don't need Nash to get 20/11 for them to win, as you got people like Boris Diaw getting triple doubles and Marion averaging 20/10. For Lakers to win, Kobe absolutely NEEDS to score 35PPG. Now, for the sake of argument, let's assume that the fall of both teams are equal. I'd still give Nash the edge because his team is one of the best in the league, while Kobe's is in the middle of the pack or slightly above.I do not understand what you mean here when you say both teams fall equal. I agree with almost everything you said, however, I think you misunderstood what I was saying, which hopefully I cleared up at the beginning of this post. I would start talking about why the Sixers are struggling, but that is off-topic, and most of it has nothing to do with Iverson.I do not want to get into Sixers either, so let's leave all AI talk out of this.I might be wrong, but I don't think that whether a team is in your division or not determines how many times you play them each season. Either way, playing an extra game against teams in your division compared to teams in your conference isn't that big of a difference (assuming that your explanation is truly the way it is determined, which I don't think it is).But again, this point ties back into what I said in the beginning of my post, so there is no need to linger on it anymore. I just didn't clarify enough what I was trying to prove with my AI comparison.Teams do play teams in their division more than any other teams. That is all I have to say right there.Your AI comparison I udnerstand, but it is wrong, because my point isn't only carrying a lottery team to playoffs. It is the actual numbers and historical significances.I know there are people who feel that way, but there are a lot more analysts, experts, writers, etc., who feel he doesn't belong in the top 2 candidates. Personally, I believe he should be included in the debate, but he shouldn't win the award, nor do I think he will finish in the top two in voting. The highest he will finish will probably be third.I feel he will be #2. And real honestly, by what I have heard from analysts, I think he could actually win it all. His season has just been that good and successful. i feel he is #2 to Nash, but I am not so sure.Again, I believe Kobe is having a great season, but I still believe that Dirk is more deserving simply because of where his team sits in the West. Like I said in my other post, historically the MVP award goes to the best player, or the player with the biggest impact, on the best team, or one of the best teams, in the league.Right now, the race should only be between Nash and Dirk, with Nash being the favorite. Other players are included in the debate, but they shouldn't be given the award over Dirk or Nash, in my opinion.That is where we can agree to disagree. I feel it is ludacris to give Dirk the award since his team without him would still be better than lakers with Kobe (LoL). I feel nash and Kobe are most valuable in NBA to their teams, and both teams ahve been successful enough where it should be a 2 man race between them.
So because Kobe scores 35 points is why he is the mvp? Kobe has Odom so he isn't exactly a one man team. If Kobe was that great, his team would be a top 10 team at least. There is more to talk about than just points scoring. Dirk is more efficient anyways on offense.
Not just because his 35PPG (which isn't a nothing stat...it is historic, top 10 all time), but because of all the toher records broke ins eason, and his team SUCKS, yet he is carrying them to respectable 7th seed. Without him, they are lottery. With Mavs, they would be a 7th seed without Dirk.
Lots of you guys are kind of being really dumb... ONE THING YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THE MVP...AN MVP = TALENT + TEAM PERFORMANCENOT: OH THEY WOULD BE LOTTERY WITHOUT HIM.
And Lakers team performance is all because of Kobe, and that team performance has put Lakers at 7th seed. And once again, Kobe is most valuable player to his team, Dirk is far from it. Kobe has had a better statistical season than Dirk. Kobe has made lots of history this season. Dirk has not. Although I am done with you, as you are clearly a Mavs homer.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Although I am done with you, as you are clearly a Mavs homer.</div>Bingo.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 26 2006, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And Lakers team performance is all because of Kobe, and that team performance has put Lakers at 7th seed. And once again, Kobe is most valuable player to his team, Dirk is far from it. Kobe has had a better statistical season than Dirk. Kobe has made lots of history this season. Dirk has not. Although I am done with you, as you are clearly a Mavs homer.</div>Coming from obviously a Lakers homer that last sentence is funny.Mavs fans will say Dirk, you as a laker fan will say Kobe.Kobe is in the conversation, just like Tony P, Chauncy, and Lebron...But it has come down to Dirk and Nash.All those guys deserve it, but only one of those 2 will win it...I mean this whole, "The Lakers would be lottery without Kobe" and "The Mavs would still be a 7-8 seed" argument.So Dirk shouldn't win the MVP because his team has talent? Then Nash should NOT have won it last year, and shouldn't win it this year, neither should Lebron or Chauncy.This is getting dumb, the final vote will come down to Nash, Dirk, Kobe, probably in that order...
HAHAHA!Me a Laker homer. Ask Clutch melo if I am. last week he called me a Kobe hater because I said I believe AI was better than Kobe. I am not a Kobe lover nor hater. I feel he deserves 2nd place in MVP. As for Nahs winning it last year, before he came, Joe Johnson, QRich, and Amare were only average talents (Amare was only a 15PPG guy, so maybe you can consider him slightly above average). When nash came, he made them all look like superstars. Amare increased his scoring by 10PPG, Joe Johnson and Q had amazing years and both got huge accoldaes by getting invited to 3 point shootout, etc... Nash makes his teammates better, with scoring and passing. Dirk doesn't make his team better. Nash makes his supporting cast look like superstars. Dirk scores points and rebounds. And Bron's team has very little talent. Up until very recently, only Z has performed. Jones and Marshall have been big dissapointments, Gooden is average, and the rest is pretty crappy. Don't bring up Hughes, he hasn't played more than 30-40 games this season.
Well Clutch Melo is the biggest Laker Homer on the site. He thinks everyone is a Kobe hater that doesn't praise Kobe for 35 points. Kobe is as one dimensional offensively as you get for a superstar. Dirk is a better passer, better rebounder, and more efficient shooter. Also Dirk is actually just as good of a defender as Kobe imo. Dirk's team>>>Kobe's team and all this Kobe's team sucks without Kobe is lame.
