<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I never said I don't watch other teams...the MIP players, at least they guys ya'll are saying, I dont' see them much.But once again, my opinion doesn't mean jack, and what you think does.</div>I ain't saying your opinion means jack, your saying you don't watch other MIP players, so why comment on it?
Three guys have played well against him, I don't know how you say they shut him down when he can still get 20 plus on them, so now anyone who's an athletic swing player can stop him? He's still one of the most unguardable players in the league, and as his passing gets better, it's already good, those guys that can supposedly "stop" him will be running for their lives.How can you say I'm not fair, just because I believe Dirk is the MVP of the league, and Diop and Stack have legitimate cases for those awards, doens't mean I'm not being fair.All the guys I've supported are all in the discussion for all the awards I named...how is that not credible.I'm starting to think, no I know, you don't know what your talking about, well you know as much as me...so it can go both ways.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 27 2006, 05:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for Dirk, all it takes is an atheltic swingman to guard him. T-Mac and Marion proved my point. If you can get a hand in his face, it is over for Dirk.</div>That's being a little dramatic saying it is over for Dirk. Dirk does just as well against the shutdown defenders as Kobe does. If you put Tayshaun Prince, Bruce Bowen, or Ron Artest Kobe will struggle also. Dirk would have no problem taking as many shots as Kobe but he has confidence in his teammates. Also Dirk is a better passer than what his stats show. A lot of his passes end up in a basket. It won't show up in the box score but Dirk is a cause for a lot of the mavs points.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Mar 26 2006, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I ain't saying your opinion means jack, your saying you don't watch other MIP players, so why comment on it?</div>That wasn't to you Rok. But jus so you know, I think he's the most improved player that's all, he's in the discussion. So what if I pick him over a guy like David west.
Yeah, in fact, against Detroit, I'm going to record how many unselfish Dirk plays or plays relating to Dirk resulted in a basket/free throw.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 27 2006, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's being a little dramatic saying it is over for Dirk. Dirk does just as well against the shutdown defenders as Kobe does. If you put Tayshaun Prince, Bruce Bowen, or Ron Artest Kobe will struggle also. Dirk would have no problem taking as many shots as Kobe but he has confidence in his teammates. Also Dirk is a better passer than what his stats show. A lot of his passes end up in a basket. It won't show up in the box score but Dirk is a cause for a lot of the mavs points.</div>You don't need to be a shutdown defender to stop Dirk. You have to fit the critera of between 6'7''-7' and athletic and long. With Kobe you have to be physical and annoy him. if you can't annoy Kobe, you're getting 40 dropped on you. Dirk doesn't need to take that many shots to win. Kobe needs 35PPG to win. He has no teammates outside Odom and Smush (both of which extremely streaky). Dirk can have a 10 point game and easily win against good teams. If Kobe scored 10 points, Lakers will get destroyed. Dirk is a good passer for big man and does his job, but Kobe is a very good passer for a SG swingman. marvimartian- You can think you are smarter than me all you want, but you are a Mavs homer and very biased. You also admitted to not seeing other teams play or seeing other MIP candidates. You probably base all opinions on waht you hear. I watch games. I watch every game I can with league pass, and if I am not home, I go online and watch the box score updated every 5min for various teams. I read articles and fan boards. Needless to say, I feel your opinion isn't too solid on this matter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 26 2006, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nash is my MVP, but Suns don't need Nash to get 20/11 for them to win, as you got people like Boris Diaw getting triple doubles and Marion averaging 20/10. For Lakers to win, Kobe absolutely NEEDS to score 35PPG.</div>Marion is defintiely a big part of that team, but by no way could he himself carry the Suns to the playoffs by himself without Nash or Amare. As for Boris Diaw, I really didn't know much of him before he joined the Suns, so my belief/opinion is that his success could be viewed as a byproduct of the PHX system.I know they have better overall talent around Nash than Kobe has, but Nash is the engine that makes that team go. That was what I was trying to say.But we both believe Nash should win the MVP award, so the discussion about Nash vs. Kobe is a moot point.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I do not understand what you mean here when you say both teams fall equal.</div>Yeah, I knew my comment/description was pretty vague and didn't specify exactly what I meant. This is what I meant: the fall that each team would take would be perceived as equally bad, so the Suns falling from a top-tier team to a mediocre team would be equally as bad as Kobe's team falling from mediocre to the lottery. I don't know if that was the best way to explain it either, but I hope you get what I'm trying to say.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Mar 27 2006, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marion is defintiely a big part of that team, but by no way could he himself carry the Suns to the playoffs by himself without Nash or Amare. As for Boris Diaw, I really didn't know much of him before he joined the Suns, so my belief/opinion is that his success could be viewed as a byproduct of the PHX system.I know they have better overall talent around Nash than Kobe has, but Nash is the engine that makes that team go. That was what I was trying to say.But we both believe Nash should win the MVP award, so the discussion about Nash vs. Kobe is a moot point.</div>Woah woah woah! I said Nash doesn't need his season averages for Suns to win, but they most definately nee dhim. Without him they wouldn't be in playoffs. he is main reason for Boris Diaw, and others player, improvements.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I knew my comment/description was pretty vague and didn't specify exactly what I meant. This is what I meant: the fall that each team would take would be perceived as equally bad, so the Suns falling from a top-tier team to a mediocre team would be equally as bad as Kobe's team falling from mediocre to the lottery. I don't know if that was the best way to explain it either, but I hope you get what I'm trying to say.</div>Again, Suns would be worse than mediocre without Nash. I agree Nash is MVP. Dirk on the other hand with Mavs, Mavs would be playoff team easily without Dirk. Kobe's Lakers would have #1 pick in 2006 draft without him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Again, Suns would be worse than mediocre without Nash. I agree Nash is MVP. Dirk on the other hand with Mavs, Mavs would be playoff team easily without Dirk. Kobe's Lakers would have #1 pick in 2006 draft without him.</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 27 2006, 05:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You don't need to be a shutdown defender to stop Dirk. You have to fit the critera of between 6'7''-7' and athletic and long. With Kobe you have to be physical and annoy him. if you can't annoy Kobe, you're getting 40 dropped on you.</div>I guess I can understand where you came with this logic. Dirk had Bronchitis last year in the playoff series against the rockets and was not his usual self. Also Marion did not shut down Dirk in that second round. So far this year Dirk has owned Ryan Bowen with posting him up. Isn't Ryan Bowen supposed to be the Germinator. lol. I think Dirk would do the same to Mcgrady if Mcgrady guarded Dirk this year. The only player I've seen get in Dirk's head this year is BRUCE Bowen and he has done that to many players.
T-Mac was on D9irk last year in playoffs most of the time. Ryan Bowen was on him about 10% of the time.I think that marion, T-Mac, Kobe, and if Bron could improve defensively, then bron, all could stop Dirk when they play good defense.
he has a good chance if Dallas finish great winning most of their games left in the season then it could give a good note at the end of the season that could change decisions..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 27 2006, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thanks for that bit of genius Juwannaman.</div>What?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 27 2006, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I guess I can understand where you came with this logic. Dirk had Bronchitis last year in the playoff series against the rockets and was not his usual self. Also Marion did not shut down Dirk in that second round. So far this year Dirk has owned Ryan Bowen with posting him up. Isn't Ryan Bowen supposed to be the Germinator. lol. I think Dirk would do the same to Mcgrady if Mcgrady guarded Dirk this year. The only player I've seen get in Dirk's head this year is BRUCE Bowen and he has done that to many players.</div>Yeah, man, did you see that Dirk and 1 dunk on Marion??<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 27 2006, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>T-Mac was on D9irk last year in playoffs most of the time. Ryan Bowen was on him about 10% of the time.I think that marion, T-Mac, Kobe, and if Bron could improve defensively, then bron, all could stop Dirk when they play good defense.Another WRONG FACT. BOWEN GUARDED HIM. Lolz...but Dirk DID have bronchitis, no doubting it.This year, he should be fine :rock: , and he's a clutch playoff player.</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 27 2006, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>T-Mac was on D9irk last year in playoffs most of the time. Ryan Bowen was on him about 10% of the time.I think that marion, T-Mac, Kobe, and if Bron could improve defensively, then bron, all could stop Dirk when they play good defense.</div>No way any of those players shut Dirk down this year. Artest and Bowen are the 2 I worry most about since they combine speed with bulk. It would make it harder for Dirk to post them up because of them being physical. Also Bowen gets away with fouls and being rough.
Sorry, nitrofan, I messed up with the quote thing, lol. My bad, I dunno how to fix it...Yeah, you're right with Bowen, but he doesn't commit TOO many plays, but one day they're going make rules, such as you can't put your foot down where the jumpshooter lands.
Bruce Bowen and TMac both stopped Dirk by playing him the same way: Making him out-quick them. They made him become a one dimensional jumpshooter, and struggle to get the ball. Dirk is most effective when he gets out in transition, posts up, faces up. TMac and Bowen made him a jump shooter, simple as that. Is guarding Dirk and easy task? No. But there has been one way players have guarded him that's worked, and I'm surprised teams don't utilize it more often
Dirk's field goals and free throws vs. Bruce Bowen2005:26-63 FG23-24 FT2004: 30-71 FG18-20 FT2003:26-65 FG24-27 FT2002:39-76 FG 23-25 FTThe totals add up to...121-275 FG88-96 FT 44% FG91.6% FTWell, what do you guys think? NOT THE SHUT-DOWN GUY, EH!?
